Lighting a press conference

Heck. The most simple set-up takes about 2 minutes. You put two lights about 45 degrees from the main subject. It fills it up with light, throws the shadows off to the sides, and makes your video look far much better than without. You can't do a simple thing like that?

You like that flouro look?

Sheese!
 
Yes.

Shooters in Atlanta are pretty good about the light "rotation" and mic stands, if needed. And, most, are good about thanking the person who makes it happen, but not always. Its always appreciated! :)
 
OK...so I bring in a light...how long do I have to leave it up? ;)

There are two regarded rules on this:
1. As long as the other guy is using it.
2. If the other photog or reporter is a well-established assbag, turn it off in the middle of his bite.

:D
 
I think I've only lit a couple. I have done things like move the podium before the speakers show up so it will be better lit by the available lights. I did this partly so they guys from the other stations wouldn't turn on their camera lights, screw up my white balance, and make the shot even uglier than it already was, .

When they're standing in front of a big window, unless you've got a 1200K HMI in your kit, you're screwed. I went to one presser where they'd set up in front of floor to ceiling windows and told them that was a big mistake. They thought the background would be pretty. :(
 
what happened to the nppa way of .....using the natural light available? I saw some of the winners of contests using no light at night on an interview to get the natural look, and now you are telling me I am lazy if I don't bring a light into a presser? come on we can never win with some of you.

Will it look better with a light, of course it will, no one is debating that, but I believe if you can't get it looking good enough to use without a light, you might try another profession, or you could just suggest a new location to hold the presser or event.


"I can make it look good enough to use without a light" sounds pretty lazy to me. Are you seriously telling me that you have skills that can overcome the nauseating look of a flourescent light directly above the speaker? You already admitted it would look better with a light. If you can't be bothered to do your job well, you're the one who might do well to consider another profession.
 
I'm in a small market just south (80 miles) of a big market.

Locally, we shoot a presser to make the people feel good, then make them do an interview afterward that I can make look good by moving the person to where I want them.. not where they want the presser from. Presser video rarely makes air unless the photog/OMB vastly undershoots a PKG.

Whenever we do venture north to the capitol, the pressers are usually already lit by the time we get there. I'm not sure who lights it... I always assumed it was the Capitol staff. I just do my best to stay out of the big boys' ways whenever possible.

Unfortunately, there's only 1 working light kit, and it's always with the chief. There's a really crummy light with no umbrella/soft-box in our live truck too, but that's way too harsh of a light to be a realistic option.

In the end, I try to make do with what little I have.
 
I'm in a small market just south (80 miles) of a big market.

Unfortunately, there's only 1 working light kit, and it's always with the chief. There's a really crummy light with no umbrella/soft-box in our live truck too, but that's way too harsh of a light to be a realistic option.

In the end, I try to make do with what little I have.

My friend, save up $400.
Buy your own light kit if you ever want to leave your little station.
Sell it to someone else on the way out the door.
 
Are you seriously telling me that you have skills that can overcome the nauseating look of a flourescent light directly above the speaker? You already admitted it would look better with a light. If you can't be bothered to do your job well, you're the one who might do well to consider another profession.

Thanks for discouraging others.:rolleyes:
It really builds a sense of community here.
Go Team!
 
hopefully we can agree to disagree, but in my opinion, we're not there to make people "look good" (in the literal sense). we're there to record the events as they are.

i'm a bit of a purist when it comes to light. unless i'm doing a sit-down interview (something that is 'made for tv' where WE invite THEM to our world) then i'm going to lean towards doing it with natural light. it has nothing to do with laziness or lack of skill or lack of tools. i know i can light. been doing it for 20 years. i have the tools - in fact, i just placed what i hope is my final order to replace nearly $16k of gear that was stolen - the overwhelming portion of that is for lighting.

when it comes to pressers, the people who have called and are putting on the press conference are doing it to present "their" people. most of these are organized by PR companies or the PR/Media Relations arm of the respective organization. these people are hired in order to make their people appear in the best possible light - and in my book, that's both literally and figuratively. it is THEIR responsibility to provide the setting that makes their clients look as good as possible. it's MY job to cover it and portray it as accurately as i can. that's my opinion and i respect the fact that there are others.

i do understand, in local tv, the feeling of closeness and camaraderie with (for one example) the local police departments. you end up seeing and dealing with these people all of the time and you inevitably develop some level of a personal relationship with them. its very easy to slide into the "i'll help em out" attitude which leads to you putting up lights at a presser - because that room does need some light, after all. but just because it "needs" light, doesn't mean that you're the person that should supply it. its THEIR room with THEIR guy standing up there (presenting THEIR side of things) and when i watch that (un-lit) presser from home, i don't say "wow - those shooters should have put up some light" - i think: "wow - that Media Relations Dept. really needs to do a better job if they want their people to appear their best on television"

another example - political candidates - and i think this is where i solidified my feelings toward lighting pressers. if you do light a political presser, you open yourself to criticism that you favor that candidate. campaigns spend millions of dollars presenting their candidate to the press and public. some do it well - many do not. the successful ones do it well. but unless i have been hired by a campaign as a media consultant, i will not light a political presser. i think it blurs (crosses?) the line between covering the event and being a part of the event and potentially adds/reveals your support - which should remain buried in favor of journalistic neutrality.

if one of the PR people asks your opinion - and it happens all the time - i'd give it to them. tell them how you feel that the event could be arranged better, etc. but i think it goes to the core of being a Journalist (yeah - that's a big J) that you should attempt to alter the event a little as possible when covering it - which is sometimes very very hard to accomplish, but should remain the goal.

to clarify my use of the the word "stage" in earlier posts - some really get hung up on this - in this context, i'm using it to reference the organization and set-up of the physical event - the staging: room, tables, etc....not in the sense that something is contrived.

i've rambled, but i think that lighting pressers, while an admirable thought (after all, you're doing it so you get the highest quality video that you can - which should always be the goal) i think the bigger picture should be considered. that is the notion that WE are neutral, impartial observers of THEM and should do what we can to stay neutral and that adding light alters the setting even more than our presence does (which is already considerable). that leads me to people "cheering from the pressbox" which is a whole 'nother discussion....and the fact that if you want to set up some lights, i'll sponge off of 'em!
 
hopefully we can agree to disagree, but in my opinion, we're not there to make people "look good" (in the literal sense). we're there to record the events as they are.

So seriously... if they don't provide you an audio feed, you don't put a mic up there? You just show up with a camera and shoot and air the event exactly like a person on the street would see/hear it? You might as well not bring your camera.

Does your roofer show up at your house and expect you to provide him with a hammer?

Bring the right tools to do your job well...

We CAN agree to disagree... I disagree with your stance on this subject.
 
Thanks for discouraging others.:rolleyes:
It really builds a sense of community here.
Go Team!

The way I see it, satop is discouraging others from taking the effort to make their product look better and suggesting that if someone is not willing to go with "good enough" they should get another job. I am suggesting the opposite, and you have determined I am a troublemaker. I would not have predicted that response from you.
 
went to a presser this morning. as i am getting my light kit out of the car i notice two other crews walking in with their light kits, so i put mine back in the car. does that make me lazy? i dont think so. i knew the presser was going to be in a small room and my kit, although probably better than theirs, was going to take up too much room. and for the record, i try to set up lights at pressers whenever i can, i dont want to be lumped into the group of youg, lazy shooters that came into our market.
 
I can only speak for myself, and apparently I'm not doing that very well. If you arrive at a press conference and the lighting at the podium is adequate, regardless of why, then of course you're not lazy for not trying to improve it. I think the sticking point here is what is adequate. I've come with a visual aid:

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I do NOT consider the lighting here to be adequate. The strongest light hitting these people is coming from directly above, causing distracting shadows and making them look generally bad. If you arrived at this press conference with time to add light would you? Why or why not? I would, because if it's going on my air I want it to look good.

I am NOT saying bring out the whole kit and make it fabulous. The priority, as I see it, is to get a decent image of the speaker's face and to be able to distinguish them from the background. If that's crazy NPPA talk, then I am completely out of touch.
 
went to a presser this morning. as i am getting my light kit out of the car i notice two other crews walking in with their light kits, so i put mine back in the car. does that make me lazy? i dont think so.

NO, that makes you appreciative of the other crews.... and since I know the market you're in, I'm amazed the other guys had lights! Usually it's you and your coworkers that bring in the lights.
 
I shoot a lot of political stuff. The convention was they let us “cameramen only” into the minister’s office 5min before everyone else to set up lighting etc. Rule of thumb was first crew there lights. If they didn’t give us set up time then they looked how they looked.
I never occurred to me that anyone would not light a press con until I went over to the UK. Some lit and some didn’t. I still do… even if I’m the last one there. If I have to pull out halfway through then at lest the guys who don’t care about light got half a good looking press con.
Actually it’s not about looking good or bad lighting, I want to see their eyes when they lie to me. Not another pander shot :)
 
When they're standing in front of a big window, unless you've got a 1200K HMI in your kit, you're screwed. I went to one presser where they'd set up in front of floor to ceiling windows and told them that was a big mistake. They thought the background would be pretty. :(

They used to do that here at the hospital. floor to ceiling windows, ext was a white building in full sun, and sun hitting the back and head of the person at the podium. Got away with 2 omnis on one side, 3/4 CTB on each, no diffusion, spotted from high 3/4 frontal. Fill light in the room from other windows filled in. The background was about 3 stops overexposed, so still some detail in the highlights (and there was a deep shadow outside under an awning I could balance the image with.) That was a long time ago and the hospital didn't try that location again after that.

I am a podium mover. Or I push my reporter to do singles where I can stage under good light. I have gotten tired of just omnis with no control. Diffusion on the barn doors doesn't cut it for me. That overly lit looks worse to me than most rooms natural light (if care is taken in the placement of the subject, finding the good light and playing to its strengths)

Most rooms I work in for pressers have 4' 4bank floros spaced 4-6' apart. Thats a pretty general soft overhead wash. And since the source is low, you can move the placement as little as 3 feet and get great light from what used to be rubbish. True the spectrum isn't ideal, and skin tones do suffer a bit under floros, but the typical omni on both sides wrapped in tough spun just doesn't look good to me.

At the distances the lights are typically at the light is no longer soft, it projects very harsh shadows on the wall and face. The double key throws weird butterfly shaddows in the nose and bridge between the eyes. The light is too flat, never placing an appealing shadow to define face structure. Also two 500w typically is a bit to spectral (even with tough spun. Maybe with doube 216 its a bit better), add in a nervous subject and the shine on the face looks unatural and unpleasent to me.

I typically find a corners of the room that is darker than most and use the best one as background, then place the subject 2/3 between two overheads (closer to the light behind subject), so the backlight is soft and about 1 stop brighter than key to seperate the subject from the background. Since the key light comes in at a gentler angle it usually gets in the eye socket well (unless they are cromagnoned faced or scowlers) and there usually is a good soft shadow roll off to define the cheek bones or nose structure. as long as I can get to an f2.8 without gain I am fine without lights (my lens sucks at an f2 soft and edge focus is terrible. at 1.4 its no brighter, only softer).

I will only bring lights if I am walking into a situation I have never been too and aren't sure what the natural light situation will be, or if its a location I know I have had problems in. If other photogs light, I just deal with it. Its not bad, and I appriciate the effort, but to me I have never been a fan of the canned presser lighting style.

I like to keep things natural, usually I am just throwing some fill in to ballance the natural light, if that. For a package or more formal style interview, I might do a news-mag style light setup. But even those that look nice, still look lit (I mean the cookie on the background? never looks natural, only 'nice')

But I am working on a bit of feild grip that I think is pretty nifty, and could be useful even in run and gun mode. Once its ready I might start 'lighting' pressers again. (by taking natural light away rather than adding more lights)
 
i dont want to be lumped into the group of youg, lazy shooters that came into our market.

In my market its the other way around, the vets don't light or use their tripods. The only light the guys here use is their top light. It does not matter how much time they have, how bad it messes up other crews' shots or how mixed the color temperature is they turn on that top light.

But at pressers I think Frank McBride said it best, "its a judgment call" if I got the time I do it, if not it is what it is!
 
The way I see it, satop is discouraging others from taking the effort to make their product look better and suggesting that if someone is not willing to go with "good enough" they should get another job. I am suggesting the opposite, and you have determined I am a troublemaker. I would not have predicted that response from you.

I am not at all trying to get people to accept good enough.....I will allways light sit down interviews, and live shots...but, it is about time, and messing up everyone else that is covering the event.

I shot 3 pressers this week, at 2 of them I was paged during the middle to get out of there and go somewhere else....this happens all the time, as we have a lot of breaking news in philly. I am not gonna light it, just to take it down in the middle, again this happens all the time.

As for audio, I allways put a mic up, and allways hard wire it. I don't trust the wireless, having gotten burned before, and want good usuable sound. Me taking my mic down does not burn anyone else....taking lights down does.

Again, we are a run and gun city....that is what we do. I am one of the few that use a tripod on most shoots....most would be surprised by how few photogs in Philly could say that. Don't call me lazy. You don't know me.

And again back to my first question....what happened to the nppa way of .....using the natural light available? anyone have an answer to that?
 
"I can make it look good enough to use without a light" sounds pretty lazy to me. Are you seriously telling me that you have skills that can overcome the nauseating look of a flourescent light directly above the speaker? You already admitted it would look better with a light. If you can't be bothered to do your job well, you're the one who might do well to consider another profession.

If someone puts the podium right under a flourescent light, I will move the podium.
 
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