verdantFOX
Well-known member
You're right Dog
It's all over for VJs.
It's all over for VJs.
verdantFOX said:It's all over for VJs.
verdantFOX said:Dog, your observation about my response to you was both accurate and just as predictable.
verdantFOX said:Answer: MR may be a charlatan, but I don't believe he is without experience.Chicago Dog said:1. The system was pitched by a "guru" who has no local news experience whatsoever. None.
Lucas says his complaint about Rosenblum is that he has never worked in a newsroom and he doesn't understand the daily grind.
verdantFOX said:Still you don't have to be a pilot to design an airplane.
verdantFOX said:Answer: I don't know how many left when. I wasn't there at the time. Neither were you.Chicago Dog said:2. Both WKRN and KRON had their staff trained when the OMB/VJ experiment began. Correct me if I'm wrong, but most of the staff decided to leave after they gave the OMB/VJ system a shot.
verdantFOX said:Answer: Interesting perspective, but I've seen little evidence people having their "asses handed to them" here in SF.Chicago Dog said:3. They were tired of having their asses handed to them by other stations and their own management, proving that only failing management teams would use such a ridiculous set-up.
AlexLucas said:They should have learned their lesson. You can't make a one man band arrive late, fight with a live double crew every day, and then yell at them about the other guys superior live product, and expect them to stay.
One man just can't carry the world on his shoulders, while the bosses sit around and call themselves innovators in the press.
verdantFOX said:... they suck about the same as everyone here. So they are at least competitive.
verdantFOX said:... he or she was surprised KRON looked as good they did ...
verdantFOX said:So I think your statement is full of unsubstantiated emotional conjecture and proves nothing. It is also typical of too many posts on the subject. Ignore the facts that don't support my strongly held popular opinion.
verdantFOX said:Your case that the VJ thing is already a failure is also weak given the fact that KRON puts on VJ stories every day and there is no indication that will change.
verdantFOX said:I'm not sure why that is so difficult for you to accept?
Although I said earlier that I didn't believe that management WANTED us to fail, I do believe that they EXPECTED many of us to fail. In fact, they NEEDED some of us to fail. They had said all along that they needed to cut staff.verdantFOX said:WC also mentioned that he or she didn't believe management wanted the VJs to fail and didn't indicate either way that the managers were a particular problem at KRON. Morale seems to be real bad at KRON. And that’s usually a sign of bad management. But WC could expand on that better than I. From what Alex says WKRN sounds like a mess.
Many of them didn't have a choice. For some it was a great opportunity. For others it was either give VJ a shot or lose your job. A good example of this is the editors at KRON were told that their jobs were going to be eliminated. The only option they had was to take the severance or sign up for VJ training.verdantFOX said:Both WKRN and KRON had their staff trained when the OMB/VJ experiment began. Correct me if I'm wrong, but most of the staff decided to leave after they gave the OMB/VJ system a shot.
Chicago Dog was right. That was not a compliment.verdantFOX said:WC did mention, however, that he or she was surprised KRON looked as good they did.
I don't agree with that. I don't think they do as good a job as the other stations in the market. I don't think they have the resources. It's unfortunate because they have some talented people on their staff.verdantFOX said:My observation from watching them is that they suck about the same as everyone here.
Baltimore Shooter said:Pretty soon, there won't be anyone at WKRN to run cameras, VJs or real Cameramen. Then management will have to figure out how to shoot. Won't that be funny.
Dink said:That won't happen. They'll just move to the next stage in this process: hiring 22 year olds with no experience. Isn't that what we've all been saying would happen?
AlexLucas said:The management kept saying that it was being stolen by cable, and whatever. It was being lost, and taken by the smoother, cleaner, crisper, simpler, well-lit, informative station across the street...See? Quality counts in free television.
verdantFOX said:From what Alex says WKRN sounds like a mess.
Dink said:So what about the quality? Viewers demand quality, right? Well, yes, but not if they don't realize the quality is eroding. If it's done gradually, viewers will come to accept the lower quality as normal, just as they have with shorter packages and lower quality journalism. Throw a frog in pot of boiling water, and he'll try to jump out; put him in cold water and heat it slowly, and he'll stay there 'til he dies.
NYC Street said:The bean counters have occasional temporary wins, but this experiment has failed so many times over that - absent a financial disaster like Young Broadcasting - it seems unlikely that GMs and NDs will adopt this.
formernews2er said:in the interest of fairness, i'd like to mention that WKRN was a BIG mess LONG before Rosenblum rode into town...he just tightened the screws
Dink said:It has failed when the stations have attempted to replace everyone with VJs all at once. You can't really say it has failed one by one, because there are those who have made it work, and there are stations that are trying to make it work on a small scale without risking the whole operation on it.
AlexLucas said:This is not about anything but money.
MONEY. MONEY. MONEY.
Chicago Dog said:I think you're missing the point here.
It fails at stations because it's an inept model -- not because the employees are inept.
Chicago Dog said:Do I see our numbers tanking if the VJ system were implemented? Yes. Inversely, do I see numbers of the #2 - #4 stations not getting any better if they try it? The answer is also yes.
Chicago Dog said:It doesn't fail at other stations for two reasons:
1. Small markets tend to use them every once-in-a-while.
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2. Small markets don't make their entire stations OMB/VJ.
It's true small markets may have a few (read: few) number of OMBs. The two OMBs at my old station were in the bureaus. The stations' finances (read: finances) did not allow for a photog to be hired for a spot in the bureau.