The Dumbest VJ Promo I've Read Yet...

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Personal attacks don't bother me, not even vaguely. And, actually, I enjoy NBS's posts, though I disagree with almost all of them.

And, sorry, NBS, no amount of technology will allow a one man band to do anything more than a spray job live...maybe with a strange looking interview stuffed in there somewhere. Real reporting? Not in a million years. Play by play of something transparent, like a house fire? Maybe.

But that's not what KRON and WKRN have. Not what the BBC has either. They have one man bands who shoot, write, laptop edit, then transmit from the field (slowly) via wireless.

COFDM? Puhleeeze.

Now here's the kicker: I'm open to anything that actually improves the way we work, or the flow of information to the public. I started working news back in the film days...the CP-16 and a 400 foot magazine were the tools of the trade.

And - I've spent decades covering crime. Some of my pals were (and are) stringers. I don't knock what they do, at all.

Preaching to the choir? Don't know about that. But I think we have an obligation to respond to those who would - for personal gain - damage the profession.
 
Dear Street,

"..I think we have an obligation to respond to those who would - for personal gain - damage the profession". I assume this means me.

Let us talk about professional for a moment...

"But that's not what KRON and WKRN have. Not what the BBC has either. They have one man bands who shoot, write, laptop edit, then transmit from the field (slowly) via wireless."

How would you know what KRON, KRN or the BBC have. You have never visited there. You don't know anything about them, save hearsay that you read here.

You claim to be a reporter. Yet you do not want to report.


You want to parrot and pontificate.

You have had ample opportunity to visit KRON, KRN or the BBC at my invitation.

You have categorically refused.

Is this how you report your stories in NY?

I bet it is.

I have seen your brand of reporter a hundred times in my career. Network reporters who covered the Gaza Strip from the bar at the Intercontinental in Tel Aviv, who only drove down to the Erez Checkpoint for a stand up and then ran away as fast as they could. Reporters who 'covered' the revolution in Romania from the Hilton in Budapest. Reporters who cut themselves into stories from Africa while they sat in the bureau in London.

You want to attack my work. Go learn something about it first. Get on a plane. Got to KRON in San Francisco. The airfare will set you back $119. If you can not afford it, I will pay. Go do some real REAL reporting. You are a crime reporter. Go to the scene of the crime. Find out for yourself. Get off your lazy a** and do some work. Then...then you can write to your heart's content.

Until then.... its all hot air.

Why do I take the trouble to write this to you?

Because I think I have an obligation to respond to those who would - for personal gain - damage the profession.

Do some reporting fer chrissake.
 
Originally posted by Michaelrosenblum:
The airfare will set you back $119. If you can not afford it, I will pay.
I seem to remember you saying the same general thing to me when I issued the challenge of putting my stories against one of your VJs stories in front of your three-hundred students at NYU.

Surprise of surprises, nothing came of it.

Originally posted by Michaelrosenblum:
Because I think I have an obligation to respond to those who would - for personal gain - damage the profession.
Uh, yeah -- hate to tell you, but that was a really lame retort. Keep spewing if it makes you feel validated. NYC makes a hell of a lot more sense than your documentary-shooting ass.

[ December 09, 2005, 01:32 AM: Message edited by: Chicago Dog ]
 
Hmmmmmm. Let's see.

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Buzzword count is HIGH!!!!!!!!

If ya can't feed 'em facts, baffle 'em with bullshiit, right?
 
Ah Chicago...

Ever anxious to run in and prop up the incompetent reporter.

You have the employee mentality deep in your blood.

You better forget your entrepreneurial dreams for the moment.
 
Originally posted by Michaelrosenblum:
Ah Chicago...

Ever anxious to run in and prop up the incompetent reporter.

You have the employee mentality deep in your blood.

You better forget your entrepreneurial dreams for the moment.
Look, everyone! Mike once again says nothing worthwhile when faced with the option to "put up or shut up."

Are you surprised? I'm not.
:rolleyes:
 
Oh, Mikey...that's such an old technique - when you can't refute the argument, attack the person making it. Nonetheless, my answer to you is simple:

One does not need to visit the kitchen to taste the food.
 
Originally posted by Chicago Dog:
My favorite part is how the writer of that article also has absolutely no local newsroom experience.

Blind leading the blind.
He'll probably end up as a News Director.
 
Originally posted by NYC Street:
And, sorry, NBS, no amount of technology will allow a one man band to do anything more than a spray job live...maybe with a strange looking interview stuffed in there somewhere. Real reporting? Not in a million years. Play by play of something transparent, like a house fire? Maybe.
Real reporting? Could you define this please? Because I don't think I've seen this done live by traditional crews either. Just the spray job/play by play you described (usually from the helo) while the anchor narrates what we all see, as if those of us at home are too stupid to figure it out for ourselves.

Originally posted by NYC Street:
But that's not what KRON and WKRN have. Not what the BBC has either. They have one man bands who shoot, write, laptop edit, then transmit from the field (slowly) via wireless.

COFDM? Puhleeeze.
Puhleeeze? You asked how could a VJ go live and I've shown you, and all you can say is Puhleeeze?

Look it up - see the potential in a way to transmit broadcast video with no line of sight. Do a little digging to see the units that can be carried in a back pack, attached to any video source, even a little Sony Handycam, and carried portable anywhere. This is hardly a "puhleeeze". This is where the industry is going.

Did you say you're a crime reporter? Well COFDM may be of interest to you as many PD agencies will be using it as well. Your news helo can beam video down to PD units on the ground allowing you to serve the community, improve relations with the local PD AND get some juicy exclusive takedown video at the same time.

Originally posted by NYC Street:
Now here's the kicker: I'm open to anything that actually improves the way we work, or the flow of information to the public.
Then I'd look at VJ again - only this time don't think OMB. Think interchangeable roles. You OMB the stories that can be done OMB. This frees more resources that you can commit to the stories that cannot be done OMB. Now expand your horizon past your TV set. Look instead to your computer, because that's where your audience went. They already got their news, weather and sports from the web while they were at work and by 6pm they are home with the TV on, but they are watching something else.

Factor all this in, and you'll see what I've come to realize: VJ actually makes more sense than traditional crews today. It's far more flexible and can seamlessly integrate TV and web based content. The nightly TV broadcast can direct viewers to their website for more indepth news and reporting than daily TV delivery alone can offer. Online content can be done for a fraction of the cost of TV and can deliver more cost effect advertising for your sponsors.

It also gives you a way to simultaneously reach the viewer at home and the viewer at work. Soon it will even be able reach the viewer on his way to and from the office as well. Even live, if need be, which will become more rare. On Demand will be the next big thing. I know that, as a consumer, that's what I'd rather have.

Originally posted by NYC Street:
I think we have an obligation to respond to those who would - for personal gain - damage the profession.
Damage the profession? Only if it's done the way you claim it will be: All OMB, all the time. Done correctly, it will actually breathe new life into the industry and allow it to cater more seamlessly to new demographics. But that doesn't hold up your argument very well, so I guess that's why you don't mention it?

Get back to me on that "real reporting" thing. I'd like to know what you have in mind when you say that. Seriously.
 
Why would I want my choppers' video beamed directly into police cars?!?!? To "help out the community"?!? Huh? WTF?!? What????

We AREN'T the police. We don't investigate crimes and collect evidence. We don't arrest or prosecute people. We don't carry weapons and enforce laws. WE'RE NOT COPS!!!!!!!!!! WTF would I want video beamed directly to the PD?

What happens to our objectivity (real or imagined) if the public ever thinks that we feed cops info LIVE?!?

We can get the "juicy takedowns" the old fashioned way - by using sources/leaks, listening to the scanners and being lucky in the right place at the right time, NOT BY SELLING OUR SOULS.
 
Originally posted by pre-set:
Why would I want my choppers' video beamed directly into police cars?!?!? To "help out the community"?!? Huh? WTF?!? What????
Happens here in Phoenix quite a bit - there's been many times when KPNX's bird has helped the PD during a chase or other aerial surveillance need. They even had the capability to communicate on PD and FD frequencies until they switched to their new trunked system. And of course the on board camera is rolling the whole time.

I also recall seeing a video on one of those police chase shows where the bad guy carjacked an old man in his pickup truck. PD had no idea and he was about to get away. That's when the helo pilot intervened and landed directly infront of the oncoming truck to prevent his escape. The cops ended up shooting the guy right in front of the photog who got out and rolled tape on the whole thing.

Once I even stopped a foot pursuit by standing in front of the bad guy as he ran towards me. He dodged left, I dodged left. He dodged right, I dodged right. This went on until he was about 50 feet from me, then he stopped running and threw his hands up. I rolled tape on the whole thing, arrest and all. When it was all over the cops thanked me for my help.

It can and does happen. And it will continue to happen. It's what decent people do when they can. I'm sorry you don't seem to think along those same lines.
 
Originally posted by Natural Born Stringer:
Real reporting? Could you define this please? Because I don't think I've seen this done live by traditional crews either.
Everytime you say something like this, it does three things:

First, it shows you still refuse to believe the broadcast news world is any different than the stations you're stringing for.

Second, it's an incredibly inaccurate assumption that does nothing to help your arguments. Why should we listen to someone's opinion when they constantly and inadvertently compare work I do to a poor output market? You talk a lot about personal attacks -- insulting others' hard work by claiming all of it is awful without putting forth the effort to see what else is out there makes no sense.

Third -- and probably most important -- it contradicts everything you say about WKRN and KRON's story quality. You're laying down a blanketed statement about the news business as a whole, and then directly contradicting it by claiming WKRN and KRON are putting out "quality."

When we point out how bad stories coming from WKRN and KRON are that you start getting all up-in-arms. Then, you start going on and on about how broadcast news sucks. The only frame of reference you have is your own market. That's what you constantly refer to.

The vicious cycle starts again, and nothing's accomplished.

I'm saying this in all seriousness: try to view more stories that aren't in your own market. You were quick to order MR's paid-advertisement OMB/VJ DVD. Have you ever been as quick to check out one of the annual NPPA DVDs?

Originally posted by Natural Born Stringer:
Then I'd look at VJ again - only this time don't think OMB. Think interchangeable roles.
Just as you claim we're "failing" to see the supposedly-"interchangeable" roles of the OMB/VJ, you're failing to see what's really going on. This has already been proven long ago: Neil Orne. Remember? He made a post in his blog about how his camera was taken away because he was "not producing enough stories."

What does this show?

1. WKRN and KRON are using this "system" in an attempt to save money: doing more with less. People who are leaving their stations are not replaced.

2. The system is already failing at the only two stations using it. It's already failed at NY1, ten years after its implementation. If "up and coming technology we must adapt to" is really worth it, why didn't they stick with the OMB/VJ system? If anything, NY1 should be the flagship for the OMB/VJ model. Instead, it abandoned the idea.

3. OMB/VJs are not given any more time to do stories now than they were before this "system" was implemented. They're still expected to turn stories on a daily basis. There's no such thing as 1.5 stories per week. As a matter of fact (and I think reporters will agree with me), there's hardly any stories in a local news market that will keep their timeliness if you're only working on it for that week.

4. "Failure Rate" is a buzzword for "news judgement," something every newsroom should already have.

5. Most importantly, WKRN and KRON are not interested in "interchangeability." They do not swap out OMB/VJs between stories. They don't see "more resources," they see "more stories." There's a difference.

Originally posted by Natural Born Stringer:
Now expand your horizon past your TV set. Look instead to your computer, because that's where your audience went. They already got their news, weather and sports from the web while they were at work and by 6pm they are home with the TV on, but they are watching something else.
This is wrong. Ever look at ratings when Oprah's the lead-in?

Originally posted by Natural Born Stringer:
It also gives you a way to simultaneously reach the viewer at home and the viewer at work.
If folks are going to the internet for their news instead of television, how did you type this sentence without knowing it contradicted another statement you typed earlier?

As far as different outlets go, many stations across the United States have been integrating their websites with their local television broadcast news for years. This is nothing new. Webcasting (or "hypercasting," as another buzzword-prone MR likes to call it) is still very much in its infancy. A station trying to webcast entire productions -- especially to a large number of viewers -- must have the ability to utilize incredible amounts of bandwidth. That's the first thing stopping webcasting from becoming a reality.

Originally posted by Natural Born Stringer:
On Demand will be the next big thing.
"On Demand" has been around since VCRs were fitted with record buttons.

Finally, please dispense with the "personal attack" response just because I disagree with you. It's getting a little old.

[ December 12, 2005, 07:20 PM: Message edited by: Chicago Dog ]
 
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