NPPA Contest

Chicago Dog

Well-known member
Pointing out the obvious, the NPPA -- with its vast resources and fundraising techniques -- is limping into the future. The rave about "online voting" is a perfect example.

Beginning with this year's Best Of Photojournalism competition, the Still Photography and Web Site/Multimedia categories will be pre-edited and judged in their entirety using a new online judging process.

By using digital technology, the Still Photography contest will be judged online "using a specialist in each category of the contest to ensure excellence in the judging," NPPA past president and Best Of Photojournalism contest committee member Clyde Mueller said today.
B-Roll.net started doing this three or four years ago. It's been done without fundraising, it's been done without a "committee," and it certainly didn't take years of delegation to come to fruition.

If anything, this "new opportunity" provided by NPPA is proof that there's way too many cooks in the kitchen. How many people are on NPPA's payroll?

"What started a decade ago continues to evolve in a way that reflects the values and mission of the NPPA," Elliot said today.
Is this article just poorly written, or has the NPPA really been working on an online voting system for ten years?
 

f11vid

PRO user
Fourteen paragraphs about the still competition,and half a sentence about the TV contest.
That says it all.
 

svp

Well-known member
f11vid,

That's exactly why the NPPA is irrelevant today. EVERYBODY is having to transition to video yet the NPPA continues to primarily focus on the dinosaur still stuff. Furthermore, still/newspaper guys are not held to the same rigorous/high standards, with regards to video, that we in TV are held to. Completely unacceptable in my opinion. I really think it's time for a new organization to step up and replace the NPPA.
 
I just got this e mail from Merry Murray-Rogers. John Gross
Merry wrote: "I"m having past judges judge the 1st Round and then this year's judges are meeting in Norman during the Workshop to chose the winners. A little different, but it will work!"
 

AKinDC

Well-known member
As much as I agree with most of Chicago Dog's and svp's criticisms, I'm pretty sure that the NPPA could cure cancer, and folks would only comment on how long it took them to do it, and how badly the press conference announcing the cure was lit. :)
 

adam

Well-known member
The real shame is that the NPPA hasn't leveraged it's position to get a video host to sponsor the TV activities. I would think Brightcove would like to have the eyeballs of some of televisions more motivated, young technical people. Vimeo has helped a bit, but it needs to be much further along... yesterday.
 

micaelb

Well-known member
I can explain some about the contests. First, the still submissions have been online for a while, I think. This will be the first time the judges won't meet and judge in the same place. I think they've been hosted by Poynter in the past.

There are thousands of still photographers who are NPPA members. That's why the BOP contest for still photographers is so big. It won't be dropped because it's a huge contest that's popular not just with NPPA members but other photographers around the world. No matter how much video is shot there are still a lot of still images used by newspapers, their websites and other publications. I don't know the exact member breakdown but if it's 4500 still members and 2000 TV and others then the still members deserve a lot of attention.

The TV BOP contest is also very big. In the past a small group of judges has met at Poynter and spent about a week looking at each and every entry. That will change this year. The entries will be pre-judged and the final judging will take place at the NPPA Newsvideo Workshop. Again, a small group of judges decides the winners. That is, after all, the way NPPA video contests have been judged for as long as I can remember, face-to-face discussion deciding a winner. Merry has done a great job of making adjustments on the run.

I happen to think having the judges in one place, watching the entries as a group and discussing them face-to-face makes the NPPA BOP a great competition. It's a whole different animal than the b-roll contest and I happen to think the way it's judged makes the BOP a better contest. I'm sure some will disagree.

Also, the Sean Elliot quote CD points out refers to the start of the Best of Photojournalism about a decade ago. As a quick history lesson, the NPPA BOP began when the NPPA and University of Missouri disagreed about the Pictures of the Year contest and the NPPA started the BOP. Sean wasn't saying it took 10 years to figure out how to do a contest online. He was talking about how the BOP has been changing since its inception.

AKinDC, you're spot on with your comments.

The NPPA isn't perfect but there is nothing else that compares with it. I'm gonna keep working to make it better.
 

Chicago Dog

Well-known member
The NPPA isn't perfect but there is nothing else that compares with it.
... Is that a joke?

I suggest you take a look around the forums here at B-Roll.net before you try to make that claim. There's plenty going on around here that the NPPA wishes it could do. I appreciate your gallantry, but I don't know why you're putting so much effort into the sinking ship that is the NPPA.

Perhaps you should shoot Kev an email and see if you can help with this site rather than an organization that's already abandoned you.
 

Teddy

Well-known member
CD, Take a deep breath and let it go. Everyone is very well aware of you opinion of the NPPA at this point. You are entitled to it. What's uncalled for is the way you shout down any discussion you disagree with. You are one of many voices here. It's not personal. Take a deep breath and move on. You will be much happier.
 

micaelb

Well-known member
No, Chicago Dog, whoever you are, that is NOT a joke. I suggest you look around at the NPPA before you make the claims you make.

I have looked here and I have posted here. I have learned things here but not nearly as much as I've learned from NPPA events and seminars and members.

Does b-roll have over 6000 members? Those would be people who take their career seriously enough to invest $110 in it?

No.

And I don't see the NPPA as a sinking ship. I wouldn't work as hard as I do for it if I saw it that way.

Abandoned me? No.

Like I said, and it's a fact, there is nothing that compares to the NPPA.

Did b-roll help journalists get access to the Gulf oils spill? No.

Does b-roll advocate for members who have trouble with law enforcement? No.

Does b-roll hold a week-long storytelling workshop? No. How about 3 of them every year like the NPPA does? No?

Does b-roll get you a discount on Apple stuff? Buy a laptop and save the cost of your membership? No.

There's more but I think you get my drift.

I shouldn't let your negativity get to me Dog. I'm sure you'll howl about what I wrote but that's ok. You do what you do, I'll do what I do.

I feel better now.
 

Chicago Dog

Well-known member
Does b-roll have over 6000 members? Those would be people who take their career seriously enough to invest $110 in it?
Given the topic we're discussing right now, your statistic is an incredibly misleading statement. I traded a few emails with Mindy Hutchison a little over a year and a half ago on the exact same topic:

Mindy Hutchison said:
We currently have about 7500 members. ... I'd say that about 16% of our members currently choose "video" as their category, about 5% currently choose "multimedia" or do not list a category, and about 79% list "still" as their primary interest.
Your comment is grossly negligent as it pertains to this conversation.

And I don't see the NPPA as a sinking ship. I wouldn't work as hard as I do for it if I saw it that way.
That's too bad. Most everyone I know and most members here at B-Roll would agree with me. Can you tell me three ways you've benefited from the NPPA in the past year personally?

Did b-roll help journalists get access to the Gulf oils spill? No.
Prove it. Show me someone who directly benefited from NPPA's intervention at the Gulf.

Does b-roll advocate for members who have trouble with law enforcement? No.
Prove it. Show me someone who directly benefited from NPPA's intervention of law enforcement abuses.

Does b-roll hold a week-long storytelling workshop? No. How about 3 of them every year like the NPPA does? No?
You're boasting about four events that only a very small fraction of members can attend. Why is NPPA better because they hold in-person events only and completely ignore the fact that most of their members can't afford to take a week-long trip to one of these events?

Why should high-income video members be allowed to reap the benefits of low-income video members just because low-income video members can't afford the trip but still pay $110 a year?

It makes more sense to me to use a well-organized website for its educational resources and constant member input for free.

By the time I could afford a trip to one of NPPA's events, I already left the organization because I'd outgrown it.

Does b-roll get you a discount on Apple stuff? Buy a laptop and save the cost of your membership? No.
No, but that's because I already get discounts through my business. I don't need a third-party organization to cancel out its own membership cost by "saving me money" at Apple.

I shouldn't let your negativity get to me Dog. I'm sure you'll howl about what I wrote but that's ok.
I'm sorry you view my points as "negativity."

The way in which I present my views certainly doesn't make me popular. So be it. I don't contribute to this forum to make friends or impress others.

I'm here to help further a profession many of us depend on to make a living. One of the first things I learned from my favorite college professor was that candy-coating simply doesn't get **** done.

Like I've said before: I appreciate the efforts put forth by you and people like you. Unfortunately, it's my view that NPPA doesn't take your efforts seriously. It's my view that people will blindly follow them without realizing what's really going on. Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, as it were.

We're supposed to be happy that NPPA is finally using the internet as a resource for competition?

Why? So the still guys can feel better about themselves?
 

svp

Well-known member
I would also like to point out that Kevin runs b-roll while working full-time as a photog and running a website business. He does all of this while maintaining the most important source of information for video professionals out there. I'm pretty sure the NPPA has many more resouces at their disposal than Kevin does, yet, as far as video goes, the NPPA doesn't come close to offering the knowledge and information we get from b-roll.net. Oh, yea, and its FREE!!! Why doesn't the NPPA just admit that its an organization for still/newspaper photogs only and just stop trying to claim you represent video photogs when you clearly don't.
 

AKinDC

Well-known member
Since this has gotten completely off topic and turned into another NPPA Pro/Con thread/rant, I'm throwing it into uncensored.
Have at it.
 

Chicago Dog

Well-known member
Since this has gotten completely off topic and turned into another NPPA Pro/Con thread/rant, I'm throwing it into uncensored.
Have at it.
I don't get your method of operation.

A difference of opinion is declared that even remotely deviates from the topic at-hand, the entire thread is moved to the ass-end of the B-Roll forums.

But a proven identity thief is continually allowed to troll the forums, target individual members, and kick up the flames against them for his own personal entertainment?

Please explain.

(For the record, I don't think this thread deviated at all up until your post.)
 

adam

Well-known member
It didn't seem like it had deviated because it was hijacked after 1 post. A smooth and rapid decent into the ground with your wheels up is still a crash regardless of how far you climbed in advance.

CD you said "By the time I could afford a trip to one of NPPA's events, I already left the organization because I'd outgrown it". I've never met a photog who claimed that level of enlightenment before, I'm honored just to be in your presence. It's a shame that MR's vast fleet of black helicopters has prevented from giving back to the craft.
 

svp

Well-known member
I don't understand why this was moved to UNCENSORED. The discussion has everything to do with photography and was perfectly fine under general discussion. I don't like it that a moderator can move a thread just because he disagrees with the opinions in the thread. If it were getting political, I could understand it but this thread never went that direction.
 

Chicago Dog

Well-known member
It didn't seem like it had deviated because it was hijacked after 1 post. A smooth and rapid decent into the ground with your wheels up is still a crash regardless of how far you climbed in advance.
Your analogy is unfitting and flat. Your "NPPA can do no wrong" mentality and your consistent, rabid defense of a faulty organization makes your hastily-prepared analogy even more laughable.

CD you said "By the time I could afford a trip to one of NPPA's events, I already left the organization because I'd outgrown it". I've never met a photog who claimed that level of enlightenment before, I'm honored just to be in your presence.
Sigh.

If you could take your "All-NPPA, All The Time" blinders off and bother to do a little research, you'd find that I'm not the only one to make that claim. David R. Busse, Freddie Mercury, and Lensmith all say the same thing. We're not the only people who feel that way.

Do you have anything productive to add to this conversation, or are you going to take offense to everything that remotely criticizes the NPPA? Think for yourself for once, drone.

It's a shame that MR's vast fleet of black helicopters has prevented from giving back to the craft.
That reminds me: can I ask why you find it more productive to take an inconsequential potshot rather than answer my challenge in the paragraph before your reference?

You're not doing yourself or the NPPA any favors with your unflinching zealotry. The next response out of you should include a breakdown of a series of numbers.

Otherwise, I can only assume your claim that the NPPA helped you put together an event was as hastily prepared lie as the eye-roll inducing analogy that led off your unproductive rant.
 
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