Judge rules bloggers are NOT journalist...

Hopefully this will be overturned. The government should not be deciding what is and is not a legitimate news outlet, lest we end up with only government propaganda media being considered "legit" by the government.

This must be an activist judge ;)
 
Hopefully this will be overturned. The government should not be deciding what is and is not a legitimate news outlet, lest we end up with only government propaganda media being considered "legit" by the government.

Mr. Servo has a point. The man is always trying to keep us down.
 
Wrong!

The judge did not make such a blanket ruling. First of all, it was not a single judge, it was a three-judge panel.

Second, contrary to the headline of this post, the court acknowledged that blogs CAN be legitimate news outlets and that those who report for them CAN use shield laws.

It ruled in this case that the claimant did not deserve shield law protection because she was not functioning as a journalist and that her web sites weren't news outlets.
 
Bloggers can use shield laws if they identify themselves as journalists, are operating the style of journalists, do their due diligence of fact checking and provide full discolsure of their conflicts of interest... But the court holds that the proclamation alone is not sufficient. Unfortunately Ms. Hale did not do these things... If anything, this is now case precedent which can be quoted in order to bolster a bloggers use of shield laws, and comes off as a victory for those who want to consider bloggers as journalists... It is only Ms. Hale who cannot use the New Jersey Sheild Law as a defense against libel, slander or as a way to protect her sources... The ruling also held that the operators of the pornographic web site are not public figures and do not have to prove anything other than a possible harmful statement was made against them...

Basically the rejection of Ms. Hale's claim that she is a journalist comes down to these three paragraphs...I have added the bolding, but the text is otherwise unaltered. Quoted from the original webpage at http://www.leagle.com/unsecure/page.htm?shortname=innjco20100422375

It is not enough to simply self-proclaim oneself a journalist. Here, the only evidence in support of defendant's claim that she is a newsperson is her own self-serving characterization and testimony as to her intent in gathering information, which the trial court found not credible[ 10 ], a determination to which we defer. See State v. Locurto, 157 N.J. 463, 473-74 (1999). Defendant has produced no credentials or proof of affiliation with any recognized news entity, nor has she demonstrated adherence to any standard of professional responsibility regulating institutional journalism, such as editing, fact-checking or disclosure of conflicts of interest.
Defendant's only proof that Pornafia qualifies as a news medium is a press release she issued only months before her allegedly defamatory statements appeared on electronic bulletin boards operated by others. The press release publicized that Pornafia was an "information exchange" about fraud in the adult entertainment industry, and its "aim" was to provide "a cost free information resource for victims, potential victims, legitimate industry players, and pertinent government agencies worldwide." However, the statement was vague as to how exactly defendant intended to accomplish Pornafia's goals. Were people simply going to post comments about their experiences, with defendant providing the platform for that "information exchange"? Was defendant going to provide links to other outside sources of information? Did defendant intend to do any "investigative reporting" to provide content for the site?
As to the latter, while defendant listed voluminous articles and posts she read while researching the online porn industry, she produced no notes of conversations, meetings or interviews with contacts or sources or, for that matter, of any investigation independent of the writings of others. In fact, defendant admitted that she never attempted to contact the principals of TMM to ascertain their version of the security breach incident. Nor did she provide any details about any fact-checking on the information she collected. Most significant, defendant never identified herself to any of her so-called sources as a reporter or journalist so as to assure them their identify would remain anonymous and confidential, a key factor in the application of the newsperson's privilege. In re Venezia, supra, 191 N.J. at 271. (http://www.leagle.com/unsecure/page.htm?shortname=innjco20100422375)
 
Its very murky waters, and I think very dangerous when the government starts to decie who is a journalist and who is not. The First Amendment is pretty clear about all of this. This is very much not the role of the government.
 
Its very murky waters, and I think very dangerous when the government starts to decie who is a journalist and who is not. The First Amendment is pretty clear about all of this. This is very much not the role of the government.

I agree that the waters are murky as hell, but if not the government then who? There needs to be protection both ways...Protection for the legitimate journalist and for the public at large...

Libel, Slander and Defamation have long been specialized rules which are not covered by First Amendment Speech...If anyone who types something on a blog or just proclaims themselves a journalist has protection from those issues (protection which by itself is not exclusive to journalists) then it is indeed a slippery slope to determine if personal liberty has been infringed upon.

Remember, Libel, Slander and Defamation are not criminal laws, but rather are covered under civil law... This means that it is the Plantiff's burden to bring a case forward, not the Justice System (read as police or judges)...

At its end, Sheild Laws offer protection from lawsuit, or at the least, offers the Defense an easy grounds for dismissal... It is also worth noting that Shield Laws are the jurisdiction of State's Civil Code, and therefore are not absolute rights, nor are they consistent across the country...
 
I agree that the waters are murky as hell, but if not the government then who? There needs to be protection both ways...Protection for the legitimate journalist and for the public at large...

Libel, Slander and Defamation have long been specialized rules which are not covered by First Amendment Speech...If anyone who types something on a blog or just proclaims themselves a journalist has protection from those issues (protection which by itself is not exclusive to journalists) then it is indeed a slippery slope to determine if personal liberty has been infringed upon.

I think time will come (if it hasn't already) when people will know who they can trust and who they cannot without interference from the government. If an outlet is known to be dishonest or agenda-driven, they're going to steadily push more and more of their audience away.

While it's true that some of these outlets can simply pop up under another name and "reinvent" themselves, it's not going to take much for folks to realize what's going on.

I believe the audience at-large knows the most reliable source of information will always be the big guns of the business. Anyone trying to challenge them has a vertical-face rock climb of an uphill battle ahead of them, and one misstep could send them plummeting to their doom.

My blog is free (so I am going to return your quarter).

... and your retort would make sense if I were referring to you promoting your blog.

Slapping links to a blog you control is a way to promote yourself, and -- as we all know -- "messiahs don't come cheap."
 
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I was asked in a PM if I could change the title of my post because its inaccurate. I can't change the title (thats not allowed) and I just wanted to let everyone know I posted it exactly as it was tweeted by "Breaking News" on twitter. I didn't change anything. The tweet caught my attention so I posted it for discussion. In doing so, the discussion led to many on this board finding that the tweet was inaccurate, even though it was from a news organization. I think that good in being able to see an example of how inaccurate some news reporting has become and why its important to scrutinize news reporting in the twitter age.
 
I was asked in a PM if I could change the title of my post because its inaccurate. I can't change the title (thats not allowed) and I just wanted to let everyone know I posted it exactly as it was tweeted by "Breaking News" on twitter. I didn't change anything. The tweet caught my attention so I posted it for discussion. In doing so, the discussion led to many on this board finding that the tweet was inaccurate, even though it was from a news organization. I think that good in being able to see an example of how inaccurate some news reporting has become and why its important to scrutinize news reporting in the twitter age.

Herein lies the problem with social media being confused with journalism. The lines are so confused, not blurred, but confused. Twitter, to me, is mostly just more noise in the system.
 
Mistaking bloggage for news is as ignorant as watching CNN or FOX News with the thought that unbiased reporting is happening.
 
I can't change the title (thats not allowed) and I just wanted to let everyone know I posted it exactly as it was tweeted by "Breaking News" on twitter. I didn't change anything. The tweet caught my attention so I posted it for discussion. In doing so, the discussion led to many on this board finding that the tweet was inaccurate, even though it was from a news organization. I think that good in being able to see an example of how inaccurate some news reporting has become and why its important to scrutinize news reporting in the twitter age.

The irony here is that you posted it without giving a second thought to what you were writing or how misleading it would be. In reality, you're no different from the news organization that posted the misleading tweet.

The original topic of this thread was the supposed ruling of a judge, not the misleading nature of the tweet itself.

Herein lies the problem with social media being confused with journalism. The lines are so confused, not blurred, but confused. Twitter, to me, is mostly just more noise in the system.

The very scary thing is that it's becoming acceptable to "go with it" instead of actually fact-checking. Outlets are constantly shooting themselves in the foot and then wondering why they can't walk forward.

Accuracy is taking a back seat to speed.
 
The irony here is that you posted it without giving a second thought to what you were writing or how misleading it would be. In reality, you're no different from the news organization that posted the misleading tweet.

I think your dead wrong. This is NOT a news website, its a message board and I simply reposted and attributed it accordingly. If its wrong or inaccurate, its on those who originally posted, and/or wrote it.
 
If its wrong or inaccurate, its on those who originally posted, and/or wrote it.

... and you posted the misleading information onto a forum. I'm not the only one telling you that it was misleading, but I'm surprised you don't realize the irony here.

I'm not trying to make you look like an idiot; I'm just saying that it can happen and it's a dangerous situation.
 
I do recognize the irony. It just seems like people on here are somehow saying its my fault the post was false or misleading. When I post on this board, I'm not doing so in a journalistic capacity. I promise you that everyone on this board doesn't fact check then recheck everything they say before posting. I certainly don't. If someone says I'm wrong about something, then I'll listen to their evidence supporting their claim and I'll sometimes go back and actually look it up to see if I was wrong. I think many on this board do the same thing. I'm not going to do 30 minutes of research to post something on a message board. I got the tweet, found the headline interesting and relevant to our jobs, and posted it for discussion. If their info is wrong, it will get pointed out, which it has.
 
It just seems like people on here are somehow saying its my fault the post was false or misleading. When I post on this board, I'm not doing so in a journalistic capacity.

Whatever your capacity, or incapacity, if you post something that's false or misleading, it is your fault.

It didn't take me 30 minutes of research to see that the headline you posted was wrong. It didn't take research at all. All I had to do was read the very item to which your post linked. Granted, it went longer than 140 characters, which is the limit of most people's attention spans now, but it was plainly stated if you read far enough.

I know people have long loved the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought, as Peter Jennings once put it, but I am still disappointed at the number who can't bother to read but still take the time to type.

This is just another example.
 
Whatever your capacity, or incapacity, if you post something that's false or misleading, it is your fault.

I just completely disagree with that. There is a reason why reporters write "police say...", "The University claims....", etc when they write their scrips. If you attribute what you write or post then its not the posters fault if the information is incorrect.

Under your reasoning, any reporter who reports ANYTHING that turns out to be false, regardless of the source(s), its his/her fault. If your on a live shot of a double homicide and the police PIO tells you the husband is the shooter, you report it, and it turns out the PIO was wrong, then you're saying the reporter is wrong even though he/she cites the PIO as the source of the information. Under those guidelines, nobody would be able to report anything unless they were there to see the shooting with their own eyes.

As for the 30 minutes, it was a random number I threw out there. It wasn't suppose to be taken literally. The time to research varies depending on the subject your researching and I think everyone knows what I meant with that post.
 
It just seems like people on here are somehow saying its my fault the post was false or misleading. When I post on this board, I'm not doing so in a journalistic capacity.

I was the one who asked if he could change the thread title, not because he didn't do any fact checking...Actually, I would have probably done the same thing... It was only after sitting down for about an hour and really reading what the ruling had to say, and checking with some other sources did I realize that the ruling actually gave some support to bloggers actually being journalists, just not this one...

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Chicago Dog said:
I think time will come (if it hasn't already) when people will know who they can trust and who they cannot without interference from the government. If an outlet is known to be dishonest or agenda-driven, they're going to steadily push more and more of their audience away.

The problem isn't with the honesty or dishonesty or agenda driven...The problem lies with the protections built into the system for journalists... I agree that the market will dictate successful enterprises, but for them to have protection, someone must say "You are a journalist"...

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grinner said:
Mistaking bloggage for news is as ignorant as watching CNN or FOX News with the thought that unbiased reporting is happening.

I think not understanding that some blogs are news is as ignorant as that statement... Welcome to the new paradigm... Some (do not hear me say all) blogs are news... Maybe classifying all internet media as blog is the wrong way to say it... Maybe classifying the amateur journalists as bloggers is making too much of a generalization...
When you have major news outlets asking listeners and viewers to check out their blog, we can no longer say that there isn't legitimate journalism going on on these sites...
I understand that there is a certain level of understanding that goes with being a journalist, but a J-School is not the end all be all for who is deemed to be a journalist. People are capable of operating as journalists without being broadcast or printed now... As a matter of fact, the court ruling that started this thread actually lays out how a journalist should act...

The internet is "democratizing" information and its dissemination... I'm not saying it is all Woodward and Bernstein level journalism, but some of it is close...

We need to define what we mean by blogs, blogging and bloggers before we rip the whole lot of them....
 
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