VideographerSearch.com???
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paulisphotoman
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Looks kinda suspicious, but you could send them a generic email, not maybe from a different account, asking them about who they are, history, etc, see what happens ?
cameragod
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They say they are “a new website dedicated to promoting professionals in the video production industry.â€
But in all honesty if they knew anything about the industry they would know that no professionals in the video production industry would call themselves a videographer.
That’s for wedding shooters and strongbad.
But in all honesty if they knew anything about the industry they would know that no professionals in the video production industry would call themselves a videographer.
That’s for wedding shooters and strongbad.
paulisphotoman
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When I got laid off in 2009 as Director of Photography, I've followed the trend of using " Videographer " on titles, but means different things to business's/dept's/companies ?
I saw a Cinematographer listing somewhere a few years ago, had nothing to do with advanced camera/lighting, etc, but more about being a Senior Video Specialist with strong emphasis more management and editing. Does any one see this, or just me ?
I saw a Cinematographer listing somewhere a few years ago, had nothing to do with advanced camera/lighting, etc, but more about being a Senior Video Specialist with strong emphasis more management and editing. Does any one see this, or just me ?
Videographer is one of those terms that is like nails on a chalkboard to me. To me 'videographer' means uncle joe with a camcorder shooting someones wedding.
Cameraman, photographer, photog, shooter, 'hey you', hell, even 'camera monkey'… Anything is better than that God awful term. I don't care if it technically is a correct description, it needs to go the way of the dodo.
Cameraman, photographer, photog, shooter, 'hey you', hell, even 'camera monkey'… Anything is better than that God awful term. I don't care if it technically is a correct description, it needs to go the way of the dodo.
cameragod
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Grips have some crazy jargon but besides speed I've been told it has the added advantage of letting them know if the new guy is for real.
Anyone who has been in this industry for any time should know "Videographer" is a tainted term that would alienate many of the more experienced members of our craft.
So either they are ignorant, making a statement about the level of work they do or not wanting older, more experienced/expensive, crew working for them.
Anyone who has been in this industry for any time should know "Videographer" is a tainted term that would alienate many of the more experienced members of our craft.
So either they are ignorant, making a statement about the level of work they do or not wanting older, more experienced/expensive, crew working for them.
Necktie Boy
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Correct CamerGod and Run&Gun
prosheditor
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I agree that the term videographer is associated with lower level production.
A person could hang out around those using the gear and hear the talk and then recite it but can they actually operate and troubleshoot the gear with hands-on knowledge such as navigating all the internal menus knowing what the values mean, hold a steady handheld frame wide or tight while static or walking, correctly white balance, expose, perform an accurate follow focus, execute a nice tapered in/out zoom, etc and sometimes do some of those and more at a moment's notice or simultaneously?
Look at me. I've talked some talk up to now but as most of my critical admirers here may think, I must have just read alot of manuals and/or hung around working production crews to know what I know. Why, because I'm not in this site's club, I say what I think and don't act as traditional, reserved and submissive to the resident gods as it's believed I should. That mentality is one of the reasons I don't talk much about / post pictures of my gear or mention much detail of my non-news production experience on this board. There's probably not many here that would believe it was mine without on-set proof anyway. But there's other nice people here that make it worth returning to post every now and then.
You better watch out and not forget about camerawoman. Amanda, Emily and Cyndy, you can thank me later. Hahaha! I like shooter the best and is what I use the most. I called two high school interns that worked for me a while back camera monkeys and they actually liked it, as expected. How about camera operator or camera op?
I know you said added advantage and that could be a valid way to evaluate someone's knowledge but it's superficial & not guaranteed. It's kind of like padding a resume before it's verified. Talking the talk and walking the walk can be two different things. Field producers can talk the talk with production terms but we've all seen how they shoot which is why they mostly shoot B / Z-camera (bahaha) or emergency/disposable shots, although some do have advanced skills.
A person could hang out around those using the gear and hear the talk and then recite it but can they actually operate and troubleshoot the gear with hands-on knowledge such as navigating all the internal menus knowing what the values mean, hold a steady handheld frame wide or tight while static or walking, correctly white balance, expose, perform an accurate follow focus, execute a nice tapered in/out zoom, etc and sometimes do some of those and more at a moment's notice or simultaneously?
Look at me. I've talked some talk up to now but as most of my critical admirers here may think, I must have just read alot of manuals and/or hung around working production crews to know what I know. Why, because I'm not in this site's club, I say what I think and don't act as traditional, reserved and submissive to the resident gods as it's believed I should. That mentality is one of the reasons I don't talk much about / post pictures of my gear or mention much detail of my non-news production experience on this board. There's probably not many here that would believe it was mine without on-set proof anyway. But there's other nice people here that make it worth returning to post every now and then.
That's kind of presumptuous and overzealous. You don't necessarily have to be old to be highly skilled and I highly respect older people in the industry and in general. Other than being cheap, who would not want to use an experienced crew? All that just because someone called themself a videographer?
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cameragod
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Camera operator used to mean some who exclusively used a studio camera or worked OB's. Now I think that line has blurred.
If they have been on set enough to learn the jargon, then that is a good start.
By older I meant more old school than actual age. Some productions don't want experienced shooters they just want warm bodies.
If they have been on set enough to learn the jargon, then that is a good start.
By older I meant more old school than actual age. Some productions don't want experienced shooters they just want warm bodies.
cyndygreen1
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I refer to myself as a VJ but also camera(wo)man.
Story: Got sent to San Quentin for a story once. Overheard reporter on the phone telling the Warden that he and his cameraperson would get there at one pm. And then heard the explosion on the phone: "Cameraperson? Hell, it's a woman isn't it!"
Story: Got sent to San Quentin for a story once. Overheard reporter on the phone telling the Warden that he and his cameraperson would get there at one pm. And then heard the explosion on the phone: "Cameraperson? Hell, it's a woman isn't it!"
The Thing on The Sticks
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ooh no its a woman with a camera run for it boys.
prosheditor
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Yep. I've mostly heard & use the term camera operator in a studio setting, for event production or smaller multi-camera shoots and sometimes reality shows but mostly hear & use shooter for reality and related formats. As far as I know, camera operator is used exclusively in the film world, like jib, crane, Steadicam and boom (sound) operators. As for OBs, I didn't know they delivered babies too.
What? They like to have worthless footage? I still don't get that statement.
Producer: "Hey, we need three shooters & full audio. Call A, B, C & Z."
UPM: "But they just got out of school & don't have much experience."
Producer: "It doesn't matter, we just need someone to hold the cameras & boom."
I think it's quite the opposite. Everybody wants the best but some (too many) just don't want to pay for it. Look at Craig's List and all the exhaustive must have requirement lists to work for them for cheap or free, as if it's a privilage.
VJ? I don't know what's worse, that or video grapher. What about camera gal?
Sticks and R & G, I don't know what to say about your last two comments other than you're asking for it. I'd hate to have those gals on my case. Ya'll are getting bold and acting out like the P..P..Prosheditor.
cyndygreen1
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Hey back off bucko...never "camera gal." Did get called "camera chick." Once. They never tried that on again.
And VJ fits and is an honorable term...harkening back to the newsreelers of the early 1900s. Until the late 1920s they were all lone cameramen/producers/reporters. The problem is (on an international scale) the term is being overused by people who (think) they can shoot and don't know diddly about the journalism or reporting part.
Worst one I had was at KQED in SF in the late 70s: filmcraftsperson.
And VJ fits and is an honorable term...harkening back to the newsreelers of the early 1900s. Until the late 1920s they were all lone cameramen/producers/reporters. The problem is (on an international scale) the term is being overused by people who (think) they can shoot and don't know diddly about the journalism or reporting part.
Worst one I had was at KQED in SF in the late 70s: filmcraftsperson.
The Thing on The Sticks
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Sort of I have actually heard the warm body line from some reality producers, and even a few at the low end of the news world. Some just don't get it or care to them it is just wide shot wide shot wide shot on full audio idiot mode. Usually after they have been burned by somebody on crags list one too many times they come to me and pay my day rate to get it done right.
does that make you part of craft services or did they just like to steal your lunch at that shop?
cyndygreen1
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At the time I was a relatively clueless youngster. No. KQED was always beyond politically correct. A liberal bastion.
prosheditor
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See, I told ya'll. But I kinda like camera chick. It's probably more suitable for high school or college students to call each other though. As I mentioned above, I called two high school interns that worked for me camera monkeys and they loved it.
I've heard the term warm bodies too but not for key positions like camera or sound. It's mostly been for PAs, sometimes loosely qualified ACs and on-camera extras.
cameragod
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OB for Outside Broadcast.
The warm bodies thing is a direct result of producers who think the camera is more important that the person holding it. They think with the right camera anyone can shoot. That combined with cheap post production they just want someone to hose down an event and it can be fixed up in post.
What I find depressing is there are fewer producers out there who know how to plan and craft a basic Doco. With more coming up with a low rate "reality" model as a background they think there is only one way to make TV... Badly.
The warm bodies thing is a direct result of producers who think the camera is more important that the person holding it. They think with the right camera anyone can shoot. That combined with cheap post production they just want someone to hose down an event and it can be fixed up in post.
What I find depressing is there are fewer producers out there who know how to plan and craft a basic Doco. With more coming up with a low rate "reality" model as a background they think there is only one way to make TV... Badly.
cyndygreen1
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Putting on a series of workshops at the local library. Very very (very) basic, as in how to put in a battery, turn the camera on (mean for seniors). Calling the participants "videots", which is what my dear departed brother used to call me.
The Thing on The Sticks
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Must have been a snapper running it. Just make some off hand comment about how with the high shutter speed on modern still cameras they don't really have to know how to shoot that should get him going.