Those kinky Republicans

[Baltimore Shooter]

So the leaders of the "family values", "fiscally responsible" gay bashing Republican party were partying it up at a lesbian strip club in Hollywood. But of course if you're a Republican its perfectly fine. Its only immoral and unethical if you're a Democrat. Funny how it's 'no big deal' if you're a Republican.

Warren

 

[iHD]

First, you only hear about it if its a republican that does it because the media give democrats a pass and never reports it. Have you heard about the DNC expenses that have been racked up at a questionable club in DC? Probably not because Fox News was the only one to report it. And, if you want to talk hypocrisy, there's plenty to go around over on the jackass side of the aisle. How about Oprah standing along side Obama on the campaign trail as he says the rich need to pay there fair share all the while she has a staff that makes sure she doesn't stay too many nights in her California mansion to avoid legally being a resident of CA, thereby avoiding the taxes. How about Tim Geitner & Charlie Rangle and their tax issues? Democrats say its patriotic to pay more taxes, yet these guys are finding every way possible to avoid them. I guess, by their own standards, that would make them unpatriotic and thereby unamerican. How about the recent healthcare bill and lawmakers inserting language that made democratic senior staff members exempt from the very rules they now want us to live by??? If the healthcare bill was so good, why wouldn't the democrats in Congress like Pelosi & Reid commit to members of Congress having to get their insurance from the exchanges instead of having those "cadillac plans" they have that are, oh by the way, exempt from the taxes the rest of us have to pay. The jackass is certainly the right mascot for the democratic party isn't it.

I'd really like to hear your response to that Warren.

 

[Baltimore Shooter]

Have you heard about the DNC expenses that have been racked up at a questionable club in DC?

Got proof of any of those claims?

Warren

 

[iHD]

Got proof of any of those claims?

Warren

I'd be happy to find them tomorrow and post them. I like how your thread is "those kinky republicans" as if to suggest it was multiple republicans. It was one guy who isn't even a politician. He's only a guy that raises money for the RNC. But I guess everyone can't be as perfect as you right Warren?

I'm still waiting your response about the democrats and the tax issues. Here's a link to an article explaining the Oprah issue.

http://www.wtpshow.com/tag/oprah/

California is the most beautiful state in the union. When Oprah Winfrey quit her show last week, she said, “[w]hy would anybody stay [in Chicago]? It’s freezing here and I own a mansion in Montecito.”

There’s no doubt it is gorgeous here, but not even Oprah chooses to pay the taxes. Hollywood tabloids have been reporting that she has wanted to live full-time in Montecito for years, but had been advised to stay in Chicago because of California’s exorbitant tax rates.

Oprah is not alone. Many companies, both large and small, do everything they can to avoid paying California taxes. For some this means hiring savvy lawyers, but for most it means relocating. Some companies can’t afford either and just go out of business.

 

[Chicago Dog]

Got proof of any of those claims?

Of course he doesn't!

Check out what happened in this other thread when iHD tried giving "proof." It was pretty funny.

 

[Baltimore Shooter]

Here's a link to an article explaining the Oprah issue.

http://www.wtpshow.com/tag/oprah/

At the bottom of that article is this about the writer: "Ron Meyer Jr. is a student at Principia College in St. Louis. He is interning at the News-Press this winter".

So INTERNS are now legitimate journalists?

Warren

 

[Alaska cameradude]

How about Tim Geitner & Charlie Rangle and their tax issues? Democrats say its patriotic to pay more taxes, yet these guys are finding every way possible to avoid them. I guess, by their own standards, that would make them unpatriotic and thereby unamerican. How about the recent healthcare bill and lawmakers inserting language that made democratic senior staff members exempt from the very rules they now want us to live by??? If the healthcare bill was so good, why wouldn't the democrats in Congress like Pelosi & Reid commit to members of Congress having to get their insurance from the exchanges instead of having those "cadillac plans" they have that are, oh by the way, exempt from the taxes the rest of us have to pay. The jackass is certainly the right mascot for the democratic party isn't it.

Well, some of these very issues are the reason that if I was a betting man, I'd put a TON of
money on the fact that I think voters in November are going to tell these guys in the words of
Donald Trump:

"You're FIRED!"

The healthcare thing in particular has pissed off a ton of people. Ironically it has pissed off
a bunch of those that Democrats count in their base.....the working poor and middle class.
Primarily, because people that don't have health insurance, generally don't have it because....
THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT! Requiring people to have health insurance, even with the government
paying for some of it (subsidizing those with lower incomes) is NOT popular among many of
the working poor. So if you have a family of 4 and make 31 grand a year, you are most likely
on a VERY tight budget. Requiring that you now purchase health insurance and giving you
ANOTHER monthly bill to pay, is making people very nervous. When people thought they
were going to get health insurance for 'free' the bill was very popular. Once they understood
they were going to have it 'mandated', it became much less so.

I admit I am biased. Right now my budget is tight enough that having an extra bill to pay
for my family of 5, will probably cause me to lose my house. I know, people will probably
say I am full of it, but I am in the middle, making in the 55 thousand range. However, Alaska
is very expensive to live, and the average single family home in my area is 331 thousand.
Right now I can pay all my bills....almost exactly, I have an extra hundred dollars or so left over
but literally that's it. Which is alright, I just don't go to the movies or out to eat or get cable or
anything, but instead put all that money towards actually owning a house instead of throwing
money away on rent. But this new health bill will force me to buy insurance. Depending on
which website you believe, it will have different impacts on people. The Washington Post has
a calculator up to calculate the impact on your family, just enter in your income, family
size and so on. Here it is:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/what-health-bill-means-for-you/

According to it, I'd end up with an extra bill of almost $400 month. That's not going to
happen, unless I start making more money somehow. Which isn't going to happen in
this economy, I'm actually trending downward currently. So my expense right now are for
groceries, diapers, and house payment, home insurance, and car insurance. I just don't
see what I can cut, other than selling the home and going back to renting.

Of course this doesn't go into effect right away, and maybe the economy will pick back
up....I really hope so. But, any time there is a bill like this, there are winners and there
are losers. Those who use the healthcare system a lot, those that have chronic conditions
and pre existing conditions are going to 'win' under this new law. They can NOT be dropped
by insurance companies, and can get the health care they need. Also, the VERY low
income people will 'win' as their health insurance will essentially be subsidized entirely
by the government.

Those who are relatively healthy, don't have anything more than routine checkups, and
just pay cash for that, are going to be the losers. Those on fixed incomes in the lower to
middle income brackets that do NOT get insurance through their jobs, and the self-employed
are also going to lose out here. And of course the rich guys are going to 'lose' too, but
I would venture to say that most people don't worry about them too much

 

[iHD]

At the bottom of that article is this about the writer: "Ron Meyer Jr. is a student at Principia College in St. Louis. He is interning at the News-Press this winter".

So INTERNS are now legitimate journalists?

Warren

Don't play dumb. You and I both know that was approved by an editor before it was printed/posted. It doesn't matter if it was written by an intern if it was factually accurate.

Again, I'm waiting for your response on the democrats and the tax issues I mentioned. Although I know its hard to defend something when the facts are not on your side isn't it?

I guess you're just going to take the MR route and refuse to answer.

Or you could waive that liberal white flag and call me a racist.

 

[redcoat]

Alaska dude, are you a staff photog? Do you already have health insurance for your family? Or is health insurance not a bill for you because everyone in your family is totally uninsured? If your family is uninsured and an accident happens, either you'll have even bigger bills than you would have had with health insurance, or maybe a large portion of your bills will be passed on to taxpayers.

The people I've heard complaining most about the health reform are the people who think this is a "socialist" policy. I haven't heard people speaking out because they don't want another bill to pay. Most people I've talked to are excited about being able to get affordable health insurance, even if it's something they have to pay for.

 

[iHD]

Warren, here's an article that addresses both parties ridiculous overspending. Yes, the GOP is guilty too but given how you like to convenietly leave out the democrats misdeeds, here's a quote with the link to the full article below it.

When the RNC floated some documents showing a similar pattern of binge spending on the part of the Democratic National Committee — showing that the rival organization ran up a tab of almost $30,000 at Miami Beach’s Fontainebleau hotel, for example — Democratic operatives waved off the damning FEC records as just business as usual.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100402/ts_ynews/ynews_ts1440

The Center for Public Integrity also conducted a study of 52 conservative "blue dog" Democrats who are a crucial swing bloc in the current Congress on major votes. Together, those House members raised $1.1 million in the first six months of 2009 — more than they pulled in during the entire two-year election cycle of 2003-04. Of that total, 54 percent came from the health care, energy, and finance lobbies.

Obama was effectively letting all the major players on Capitol Hill know that he, too, was a member of the club, and would stay faithful to the rules of the game.

Please, defend this stuff Warren since these are your boys.

 

[Alaska cameradude]

Alaska dude, are you a staff photog? Do you already have health insurance for your family? Or is health insurance not a bill for you because everyone in your family is totally uninsured? If your family is uninsured and an accident happens, either you'll have even bigger bills than you would have had with health insurance, or maybe a large portion of your bills will be passed on to taxpayers.

The people I've heard complaining most about the health reform are the people who think this is a "socialist" policy. I haven't heard people speaking out because they don't want another bill to pay. Most people I've talked to are excited about being able to get affordable health insurance, even if it's something they have to pay for.

Nah, I'm not a staff photog, I'm self employed....hence the problem. I understand that yes, my
family is uninsured, but I bring them to the doctor when needed and actually just PAY for it myself. None of my families bills have been 'passed on'......our clinic actually gives a
pretty good 'cash' discount, meaning we pay about 20% less than if we 'paid' with insurance.

I understand that if there was a big accident, I would end up with a bigger bill, Unfortunately,
I don't have much of a choice with things as tight as they are right now. Lucky for us, my
family is pretty healthy.

I'm sure there are plenty of people who call this a 'socialist' policy. But I haven't heard that
nearly as much as I have heard people worried about being able to pay their bills. I live in
an area with a TON of self employed and seasonal (fishing, tourism,) jobs. These jobs do
not pay health insurance. We have the highest uninsured population in the nation (percentage
wise). So you'd THINK if it was such a great thing, people in this state would be excited about
it right?? The problem is the definition of 'affordable'. When people are at the breaking point,
MANDATING another bill for them is NOT going to help things. Trust me, people that don't
have health insurance, generally don't have it because they can't afford it. You can pretty
easily figure out what your general 'doctor bills' are for a year, and see if it is going to save
you money having insurance. I understand that if you have a huge accident, it all goes out
the window, and that is the reason you have health insurance. Unfortunately, if you will save
$250 a month or more, by NOT having the insurance, and you have a choice between
food, house payment, fuel, electricity, or health insurance...most people are going to
'risk' going without the insurance. I'm not saying I have a easy answer here, just saying
there are going to be winners, AND losers here.....it's not this big 'roses and sunshine' thing
that Obama makes it out to be, just as it's not 'the end of the world'. And some of the
people Obama is hurting, are those the Democrats claim to represent.

I also wonder about the future of this thing. People can elect to pay 'fines' instead of
getting insurance. I am betting that many people will do that as it is much cheaper
to pay the fine, than to pay for the insurance. So then, if you find out that you have
some disease that needs treatment, it appears that you could then go BUY the insurance,
as they will NOT be allowed to ban you from coverage due to a pre existing condition.
In this case, you are not talking about 'insurance' anymore as you KNOW full well, that the insurance company will be paying out a bunch of money for your healthcare costs.
I may be wrong, but that is how I read the bill. If this happens, what will it do to
rates? Will they actually go up for everyone as the insurance companies HAVE to
pass on the costs to everyone else? Or will the extra money from people being
'mandated' to buy insurance or from the 'fines' be enough to offset practices like these?

 

[iHD]

Alaska Cameradude,

You hit the nail on the head with regards to the healthcare bill. As for the fines, no they won't go to offset the cost of those who only sign up for insurance when they get sick. That would essentially mean Congress would have to pay that money to the insurance companies as a subsidy and they won't do that. The money will be used for another big spending program in the future. What will happen is the scenerio you described will force insurance companies to raise rates so high that nobody can afford it OR they go bankrupt and go out of business. I believe that was the idea behind the bill. They couldn't get a single payer system now (which is what they wanted) so they created this bill which is designed to collapse the system and leave people with no other option than to have the government provide the insurance. This bill is the foundation for a full government takeover in the future. Think about it, democrats pushed the idea that everyone should own a home and what happened? We had the housing crisis that created a financial meltdown as a result of policies put in place in the beginning years of the Clinton presidency. Now, they are pushing the idea that everyone has the right to healthcare. What will that do? You don't have to be a genious to figure this out. It will create a healthcare meltdown which will lead to another government bailout. It may be 15 years from now but it will happen.

The real problems begin in the second decade of this bill. The gimmick accounting moves put this thing at just over $900 billion in the first ten years. But that is 10 years of revenue and 6 years of expenditures. Ten years goes by pretty fast. What happens in the second decade when we have 10 years of revenue and 10 years of expenditures. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure this out. But that is the question democrats refuse to answer. Lets not forget that Congress is never going to follow through on the $500 billion in cuts to Medicare so the first ten years of this bill will ultimately cost $1.4 trillion or more. NOW, what does it cost in the second decade??? We're already on target to hit 90% of GDP and once we hit the 100% mark, this great experiment in democracy is over. All you have to do is look at California and Greece to see where we're headed as a country.

When it comes to socialism, everyone needs to remember one thing. Socialism is about everyone being equal and nobody have more than another. That said, its IMPOSSIBLE to make everybody rich under a system like that so the end result of socialism is everybody is equally POOR EXCEPT those who run the system (government leaders). That's what happened in the Soviet Union. I don't want that. I think government needs to stay the hell out of our lives and anyone who wants socialism needs to move to France.

When you point out facts like this to people like Chicago Dog and Warren, they resort to name calling and can't answer legitimate questions because the facts don't support their ideology. If you can't win the debate on facts, then you are wrong.

 

[Baltimore Shooter]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100402/ts_ynews/ynews_ts1440

From the article:

Democratic National Committee...ran up a tab of almost $30,000 at Miami Beach’s Fontainebleau hotel..."Sure, that's normal, but at least there were no sex clubs!"

And they're right: Luxury spending to woo super-rich donors is the status quo in both parties.

It wasn't a Democrats who turned in a receipt for reimbursement for charges at a strip club, a lesbian strip club at that (so much for their 'family values' position and the the cries that homosexuality is wrong, etc.). Remember the Republicans going on a wild spending spree for a conference in Hawaii?

That list line I quoted has an interesting video parallel. Neither the RNC nor the DNC would try to woo super-rich donors by taking them out to Ruby Tuesdays or the local corner bar to plead for money.

And those who want a video for fund-raising purposes shouldn't look for an amateur to create a video for them. But I've been approached a couple of times by non-profits saying they didn't want us to do a professional looking video, that an amateur video makes it look like they need money. Well, I've been saying the reverse is true and based on the quote above, I'd say I'm right, smaller scale of course. Not for attracting 'super-rich' donors but the average to above average donor to donate to their cause.

Warren

 

[iHD]

Warren,

I see you didn't bother to answer my question about your beloved democrats and their tax issues in your response. Why are you avoiding the question??? To refresh your memory:

And, if you want to talk hypocrisy, there's plenty to go around over on the jackass side of the aisle. How about Oprah standing along side Obama on the campaign trail as he says the rich need to pay there fair share all the while she has a staff that makes sure she doesn't stay too many nights in her California mansion to avoid legally being a resident of CA, thereby avoiding the taxes. How about Tim Geitner & Charlie Rangle and their tax issues? Democrats say its patriotic to pay more taxes, yet these guys are finding every way possible to avoid them. I guess, by their own standards, that would make them unpatriotic and thereby unamerican. How about the recent healthcare bill and lawmakers inserting language that made democratic senior staff members exempt from the very rules they now want us to live by??? If the healthcare bill was so good, why wouldn't the democrats in Congress like Pelosi & Reid commit to members of Congress having to get their insurance from the exchanges instead of having those "cadillac plans" they have that are, oh by the way, exempt from the taxes the rest of us have to pay. The jackass is certainly the right mascot for the democratic party isn't it.

Please, by all means, defend your beloved democrats.

 

[Baltimore Shooter]

iHD, you talk and the Republicans a lot about Obama being a socialist and that the American people don't want the health care bill 'rammed down their throats', etc. But you all forget that the Bush Administration pushed us into financial ruin. All the tax cuts and de-regulation of the banking industry and what not. Then there's...IRAQ.

The American people didn't want to go to war with Iraq but the Bush Administration falsified documents to make it happen. Dictator Bush went against not only the will of the American citizens, but the UN and the rest of the world. In other words, he "rammed his agenda down our throats".

The amount of money that was spent in Iraq could have paid for the health care of every American for probably 10 years, maybe more. Yet the Republicans see no problem with all the money spent over there, not to mention the lives of Americans that were lost fighting an unjustified war.

So how's that for "going against the will of the people"?

Warren

 

[Baltimore Shooter]

Warren,

I see you didn't bother to answer my question about your beloved democrats and their tax issues in your response. Why are you avoiding the question??? To refresh your memory:



Please, by all means, defend your beloved democrats.

What post # is that in this thread? I can't find it in your long diatribes.

Warren

 

[iHD]

iHD, you talk and the Republicans a lot about Obama being a socialist and that the American people don't want the health care bill 'rammed down their throats', etc. But you all forget that the Bush Administration pushed us into financial ruin. All the tax cuts and de-regulation of the banking industry and what not. Then there's...IRAQ.

The American people didn't want to go to war with Iraq but the Bush Administration falsified documents to make it happen. Dictator Bush went against not only the will of the American citizens, but the UN and the rest of the world. In other words, he "rammed his agenda down our throats".

The amount of money that was spent in Iraq could have paid for the health care of every American for probably 10 years, maybe more. Yet the Republicans see no problem with all the money spent over there, not to mention the lives of Americans that were lost fighting an unjustified war.

So how's that for "going against the will of the people"?

Warren

Hahaha, you kill me Warren. "Dictator Bush"? How about Dictator Obama? Do you have any proof that documents were falsified to get us into war??? Back it up with links to proof instead of making wild accusations. As for the cost of the Iraq war, Obama and the democrats (through the Omnibus, stimulus, & healthcare bill) have spent more money in one year than it would have cost to fund the war in Iraq for 50 years.

I love it Warren, you can't defend what is happening now so you revert to BLAME BUSH. Its comical. Oh, by the way, the banking deregulations and risky lending was a result of democratic polices put in place under Clinton that Republicans didn't have the votes to overcome when they were in power. As you know, it takes 60 votes in the Senate and the GOP never had the 60 supermajority that democrats had for a year. To refresh you memory, here's a video from 2004 where Republicans were calling for greater oversight of Fannie May & Freddie Mac. They foresaw the housing crisis coming but democrats like Maxin Waters and Barnie Frank said Fannie and Freddie were fine and basically called Republicans racist for wanting to put restrictions in place that would stop the lending of money to people to buy homes they couldn't afford.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ohyu7-b7F8

Its pretty pathetic Warren that you have to revert to falsly blaming Bush and the Republicans instead of defending your democrats with facts.

And I see you, once again, refuse to answer my questions about your beloved democrats and their tax issues. It really sucks when someone points out your idiocy with facts that you can't defend doesn't it?

At least anyone (with common sense) who reads this will see you, your democrats, and their crazy policies for what they are. You know its wrong when you can't defend it. However, something tells me guys like you and Chicago Dog will NEVER admit you, the democrats, or these policies are wrong, even though you can't defend them.

That's great for this November if democrats can't back up these policies with facts and have to resort to Bush bashing, name calling, or race baiting to try to keep their seats in Congress. Time to send the crazies back to the looney bin.

 

[Baltimore Shooter]

That's right, get angry when someone speaks the truth about Bush. What's next, you're going to claim I'm "un-American" because I didn't support his idiotology? As for falsifying documents to get us into war, you haven't been watching the news since 2005 or you've been watching only Fox. Look it up, you'll find it.

As for your video link, there's a lot of fade to/from black. so unless I see the video in it's entirety, without the mini excerpts, I wouldn't even make a comment on it. Show me the video with her entire testimony then we'll talk.

In the mean time, I'm going to get smart and put you on the ignore list. I should have listened to Chicago Dog a while ago.

Warren

 

[iHD]

That's right, get angry when someone speaks the truth about Bush. What's next, you're going to claim I'm "un-American" because I didn't support his idiotology? As for falsifying documents to get us into war, you haven't been watching the news since 2005 or you've been watching only Fox. Look it up, you'll find it.

As for your video link, there's a lot of fade to/from black. so unless I see the video in it's entirety, without the mini excerpts, I wouldn't even make a comment on it. Show me the video with her entire testimony then we'll talk.

In the mean time, I'm going to get smart and put you on the ignore list. I should have listened to Chicago Dog a while ago.

Warren

First, you made the claims about Bush, not me, so provide some facts to back up your claims. Anyone reading this knows I am not angry and nowhere in my post do I sound angry. As for the video, I think it speaks for itself. Democrats want to lie and make up their own history of events istead of acknowledging how things ACTUALLY happened. You seem to be right on board with that approach. Its a 5 hour hearing and you're being ridiculous expecting to see it in its entirety. If you think we should see it in its entirety, then interviews we conduct everyday should be shown in their entirety instead of editing out 5 second sots for pkgs.

Second, it doesn't surprise me that you'd put me on the ignore list, You have no facts to defend your political position so you're running away. You got me started with this ridiculous kinky Republican crap and I've responded with facts. How about you doing the same? I'm happy to be on your ignore list. I'm going to continue to point out the problems with the democrats and their policies with facts all the way up to the November elections. If you can't defend them with facts, it just opens others eyes to the truth.

Finally, you once again duck away from addressing the democrats tax issues that I asked you about. I've backed up all my clamis with facts while you have not.

Something tells me the next move for you will be to delete this thread altogether which will really say something about you Warren.

 

[Baltimore Shooter]

According to the About WTP page of the We The People site they are:

a seasonal weekly talk radio show dedicated to discussing the latest in news and politics, hosted by Matt Donatelli and Ron Meyer with co-host Dani Corbitt. We The People site is run by Matt Donatelli and Ron Meyer with co-host Dani Corbitt.

The Oprah article is written by Ron Meyer, who is also one of the people behind WTP. And as i pointed out before at the bottom of the article: "

Ron Meyer Jr. is a student at Principia College in St. Louis. He is interning at the News-Press this winter."

In other words, he's a "CITIZEN JOURNALIST" and we know how reliable they can be.

I have answered your question. Now if you want to point me to an article of un-biased substance, please do.

Warren