Some Random Thoughts About Nothing

Hiding Under Here

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Again I am killing time, avoiding my accounting. A few random observations....

The price of used SDX900s has fallen dramatically. Here's a camera that was selling new almost two years ago for $26,000. Now you can purchase a decent one on eBay for about nine grand. And used Varicams are all, generally, under $20K on eBay. Of course those are older, heavily used rigs. Still the price of used gear says something interesting about it's "value" to the community potentially interested in buying it.

Here's what you don't see for sale on eBay -- wide angle HD lenses. Very very rare. One or two come up per month. You also never see HDX900s for sale used. Sure I have seen a couple. But they go very quickly, and for about $20K with a viewfinder. That's a bargain, too, if the camera is in good shape.

Looks like we lost "onemanbanned". He hasn't posted in weeks. I thought he was a solid contributor and I hate to see him go. His kind of comet-arcing-through-the-sky-only-to-burst-into-a-ball-of-flames type of poster has a number of predecessors here. I'm one of them. I remember coming in, posting in a prolific flurry because I discovered how fun writing could be, only to get caught up in fights with Ivan. Newcomers don't know Ivan because he, too, suffered the comet-arc fate. You write a lot. Then you want other people to change the way they think because your writing has helped convince you of your own opinions. Problem is, not everybody reading you is as malleable as you'd like and it becomes frustrating when they refuse to be swayed by your zealotry. I approached writing here that way once. When I insanely worried whether Ivan was going to come over to my house and confront me (he's from Vancouver, I'm in Boston) I realized my paranoia was out of control. So I stepped away for a few weeks, maybe for a couple of months, I don't recall. Then I returned, calmer, less psycho, with respect for other people's opinions. Ivan is gone for good. We patched things up and he and I talk via email every now and then.

I'm jealous of these guys who have Sony asking them their opinions about how to engineer a video camera. I wish someone would ask me my opinion -- not that I have much to say. I probably don't. But I'd like to tell other freelancers that Sony cared about what I thought, that a certain switch got moved because of my opinion. Plus, there HAS to be some cool swag involved. And if nothing less, you get to eat good sushi on the trips to Tokyo.

One minute I'm convinced the PDW700 is the solution to all our problems, the next I'm fretting that it's just another patch on the problem. I talk to a lot of freelancers. Everyone has an opinion or some piece of gossip to pass along. One of the troubling whispers I keep hearing is that CBS is interested in ultimately moving to P2-like hard media, not disks. If you look at NBC keeping its decision at bay for what looks like two years (based on the F900 arrangement with Sony), and if you consider that ABC isn't convinced of HD XDCam's efficacy and has stated its interest in solid media, then the PDW700 begins to look weaker as an investment. Factor in, also, that the PDW700 has an output for a solid memory card recorder and you have to wonder. My belief is that if you are considering the PDW700, don't do it based on a hunch that work will follow. Not at least until the format starts to become "proven".

I'm also a little regretful that I didn't go to NAB yet again. B-Roll.net has become a sort of fraternity for television photographers across the United States and in other english speaking countries. Watching the video from the show where the B-Roll guys are walking around has brought a smile (or two) to my face. Here they are at this enormous trade show shooting mildly passable footage like every other tourist in the building. Yet, in truth, these are the bricks-and-mortar professionals who start the building process every day they unload their vehicle at the assigned meeting point. I am amazed at how young Kevin is and marvel at the web-stop he has built with help from a consortium of knuckle-heads, some of whom just happen to be very adept with a keyboard.
 
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A very interesting read. IMHO, NAB is something you should set aside a few dollars for each year, just for the networking opportunities alone. The show floor is nice for kicking tires and maybe picking up a special price on something you need.

I think solid state recording will eventually become the norm, but not until the pricing becomes more in line with today's tape and disc media. I suspect XDCAM disc will be around for quite some time. The card reader output on the 700 gives you the option to dump shots from the disc to a card, ostensibly to pull the card out and hand it off as you continue to fill the disc with more material. Like most things technological, there are situations where this capability may be a benefit, and others where it's totally useless.

There's nothing inherently wrong with the XDCAM format, just the lack of network infrastructure to support it.

cm
 
I think we’re starting to see another debate other than this camera or that camera is going to be “the next Betacam”. And that debate centers on where our “industry” is headed…or not.

Normally I’m an optimistic guy, but my recent reading of the tealeaves gives me pause. My little hometown rag had an article on the front page this past Sunday about the media consumption habits of teenagers and the news for old-line media is not good. A quick recap; teenagers do not read newspapers or news magazines. Their television viewing is way down. They do not even know what time the evening network news come on. The youth market is the most coveted in all of advertising (namely because they don’t know what products to consume yet ☺

What they do know is Youtube, Facebook, iTunes, A Daily Show and The Colbert Report. Hence the audience for “old” media is dropping like a rock and advertisers are flocking to find their preferred audience (young people) on the net.

In my day, (god, I’m getting old) doing a gig for a network news operation was a big, big deal. I remember the first time I did one I couldn’t get to sleep the night before. Contrast my excitement with the yawns I received when I asked a group of recently minted communication majors to saddle up for a network live shot. “Do we really have to get up @ 4:00am? To them it was just another gig. Now if you talk about doing an independent “Feature” you’ve got their attention.

Recent cutbacks at networks tell much of the story. Anyone remember when Dan Rather was fighting the closing of foreign bureaus? He lost. And network news and documentary units have been losing ever since. So now we have 20 somethings traveling around the world with their handicams and laptops or local stringers.

But it goes beyond just news. I think we’re in the twilight years of the whole network television system. The delivery of more and more content is going to the web. History has not been kind to businesses trying to completely re-invent themselves using brand new technology. I see the network’s ham handed attempts to appeal to the “youth” audience and I’m reminded of Ed Sullivan welcoming the Beatles on his vaudeville television show in the early sixties. And most importantly the networks will not have a stranglehold on the “pipes” of distribution.

So make your investments in this camera or that but my advise is to not bet too far into the future. It’s going to be a bumpy ride.

P.S. Sorry I hi-jacked this thread ☺
 
The hijack is welcomed. I am having the same thoughts myself. To be honest, this is why I think Michael Rosenblum (now PLEASE do not turn this into an argument against the VJ -- I will delete it) has a contribution to make in this forum. He's right when he asserts you have to be more than just a camera guy to survive in the future. It doesn't make sense that we'd be moving into HD television production and see the freelance marketplace disappear all at the same time. Moreover, can we possibly be accurately predicting the demise of national television news coverage? Will the national news package story -- coverage of elections, stories about fuel prices and health coverage, features on persons of the hour or disasters -- simply evaporate? Or become the trade of cable "networks" like CNN that piece together samplings of local news reports mixed with in-studio hosts to cobble together some semblance of reporting?

There's no doubt in my mind that we have seen the golden age of television news coverage. It's over. The questions are -- what will be left? What, if anything, will fill the void left by the basic human desire to feel connected to the world at large? Is there a possibility that what does remain will be less -- maybe even far less -- than what was once offered by the anachronistic broadcast news networks?
 
I don't have anything important to add to the discussion, except to enourage freelancers who previously relied on networks for the bulk of their income to expand their horizons. There's a lot more out there to work on, and a lot of it is more interesting and professionally fulfilling than news.

Back when I was doing over 200 days per year freelancing, less than 10% of those days had anything at all to do with network news. And if you don't count FOX, then it was probably more like 2%.

I would say that ALL opportunitues, across the board, have shrunk for freelancers, but to continue to keep so many of your eggs in the network's basket makes it even worse. Look for new opportunities in cable, corporate, governent, etc. They are there.

I'm not saying that there's a gig on every street corner, or that you can be busy every day if you want to, I'm just saying look beyond network news. There's a whole lot more going on than news. And that's one reason Sony and other manufacturers don't feel the need to cater to freelancers as they may have done in the past. The traditional, two-man-band, network level, freelance market just doesn't pull as much weight anymore.

Doug
www.VortexMedia.com
 
I don't have anything important to add to the discussion, except to enourage freelancers who previously relied on networks for the bulk of their income to expand their horizons.

So true. Although business has been better than ever for the last year, there are too many bad economic news to remain long range optimistic. In addition to the increased number of days, one of the reasons for the better year is the higher rates for HD productions, as I said awhile back, it will not last and rates will come down. I know already of crews that are charging for HD a little more than what we charge for SD. Many broadcaster are hitting hard time and I’m afraid that we’ll be the first on the cutting list, even broadcasters like ESPN (who is doing very well) will take advantage of the oversupply of shooters to reduce their production costs. I enjoy it however while it last. The silver lining here is that in the near future we'll be able to get live TV on Computers and cell phones just like we do now on our TV sets, this according to the industry will bring back the advertising dollar now lost to the new media. Like Doug said, to be safe we have to make other plans and start exploring other markets, there's more to video production than broadcasting. Corporates have been also embracing the HD technology and are allocating big budgets for productions, there’s a great opportunity there. There's nothing wrong about doing productions as an OMB, but let's not prostitute ourselves, or at least let's stay on the line with high priced call girls and not the cheap street hookers.

Somewhere hidden inside of me I almost wish that business would not be so good, then I would not have to make the decision to make the HD investment at this stage of my career. Is not about the sum for rentals that I’m wasting every month, that’s an expense built into my rate, is more of the inconvenience of having to find a rental for every HD job. I’m fortunate that ESPN have settled for the HD-DVCPRO format, I’m a bit uncomfortable that it’s still a tape camera at a time that tape is fast disappearing. Rumors at NAB were that although Panasonic will still manufacture the existing tape cameras, they are getting out of the tape business. The writing was on the wall, or better on the outside walls of the Las Vegas Convention Center.

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That’s the new Varicam with P2 cards where the tape used to be.

Fortunately I’m not the only one with a concern about investing in a tape based camera; Panasonic is making a P2 adapter that work off the firewire of the HDX900. It's a bit bulky but for 4K is like having a second HD camera. Many manufacturers are also making hard drives for cameras and some are really inexpensive, Maxell has a 250G drive for less than $500.

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Needles to say that this has been an interesting year. Superbowl will be here next February and that usually means a long stretch of good business to end the football season. I figure that if the rates stay close to where they are I anticipate that based on the rental fee that I dish out every month I should have the new camera all paid in less than year. That’s considerably better then the time it took me to pay off the Betacams.
 
I had seriously planed to be at NAB this year… not to mention the b-roll bash. Take the kids to Disneyland etc make up for all the missed family holidays because dad needs to work.


Then October and November just didn’t happen. Up till then I’d had a good year but two months no work… that put all trips on hold. December and Jan more than made up for it but by then we had already made other plans… and a new HD TV :)


The thing is I’m doing plenty of work but the cost of living in New Zealand seems to be racing away from the income we earn here. Insurance cover and tax is mental and the paperwork is never ending.

It’s easy to get depressed over the industry. Its funny but I was reading a blog from one of Michaels followers complaining that the ‘new crop of VJ’s’ doesn’t respect the craft and the quality of Michael’s old style VJ… I just about choked… poor possum.

There are no easy answers. I still love what I do, the last few weeks I’ve been on fire and the positive feedback I’ve been getting has been a bit of a shock to the system. People do notice when you do good work and with some of the **** being peddled out there as the norm they notice even more.

I have high hopes for the 700. We are all 100% XD freelancers over here. Only one network went P2 and they can ingest my XD with fewer problems than their own P2 cards. HD XD just makes more sense than anything else out there at the moment.

I think HD will force some quality back onto the screen but I worry that there are too few people who know how to do it left in the industry. Good camerawork and lighting doesn’t just happen. Its skills that needs to be learnt and practiced. So who can say… ?


Back to the tax…
 
A secondary result of the vj is the kids don't go out and work bigger shoots. So vj slap dash is all they know. It works for what they are doing but it doesn't give them any exposure to the rest of the world. 'yesterday I couldn't spell cinematographer, today I are one'.
 
You read my mind in your post...

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That’s the new Varicam with P2 cards where the tape used to be.

Fortunately I’m not the only one with a concern about investing in a tape based camera; Panasonic is making a P2 adapter that work off the firewire of the HDX900. It's a bit bulky but for 4K is like having a second HD camera. Many manufacturers are also making hard drives for cameras and some are really inexpensive, Maxell has a 250G drive for less than $500.

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How funny! Last night I woke up with the thought of a P2 card reader that comes off of the firewire of my HDX900. Similar to a Firestore, but onto cards. I am glad to see that others are thinking of it too. That greatly extends the capabilities of the camera... and it's lifespan. Now, if someone will make it smaller and compatible with the Sony cards... I will be a happy man.

Networks are scaling back, sure, but there will always be that type of work. Just less of it. That is fine with me. There are lots of opportunities out there. I like doing the network stuff, like someone posted, it used to be so glamorous. Now, nobody cares about it.... except a few of us who will stick it out and do that type of work. I think it is fun, BTW.
 
The opinion I've come to lately is that the video business is growing by leaps and bounds.

At no time in history has there ever been the sheer volume of affordable cameras (at every level), the amount of people able to operate them (well or otherwise), or outlets to view (cable, broadcast, web, ipod, younameit).

Cameras are getting cheaper, editing is getting cheaper, etc etc. Production values are marginalized in the process, because in some ways it's quantity over quality. Driving all of this is less money for content providers...or put another way...it's the same amount of money there always was (I think), just spread a lot thinner.
 
Max
That is exactly the problem. The pie is about the same size but instead of 5 slices, there are 500 slices.
20 years ago university courses in 'media' were rare. Now they are all cranking out kids who would rather be in TV than wrenching on cars. So the price of production goes down and the price of auto repair goes up.
 
The key is not to try to compete with lower-end, inexperienced, crowd. There is a place for them in the food chain-- but it is at the bottom. I have no interest in working at the bottom rung of production and competing with those who are there fighting for scraps. And I think that those of us with experience and some credentials should be able to get a premium price for our experience and superior skills. If I can be replaced by a kid with a handycam, I assure you that that is a job I did NOT want in the first place.


If you find yourself competing against new comers, then you've got the wrong clients. If your client can't appreciate the difference between you and a kid with a handycam, or really doesn't need your premium product at all, then both of you should be looking elsewhere anyway.

Yes, technology has made equipment and software many times better than it was in the past, but you still have to know what to do with it. That will always be the key. When I see what other people are doing with today's technology it blows me away. In the right hands, the tools available today allow skilled people to do stuff I couldn't even imagine 10 years ago -- let alone try to emulate today. Stuff is cheaper, but it is also a hell of a lot more complex.

In the past you could say "oh, that requires a $200,000 edit suite to do that kind of work" or "you've got to have a $100,000 camera to get good HD 24P". Well, those excuses have been stripped away. Technology is cheap!! And you better know how to use it if you want to stay alive.

The days of having only basic lighting skills, a Lowel light kit, and limited knowledge of your camera setup and menus, are long gone.

At the medium and upper rungs of production the standards have been raised regularly and you've got to run fast to keep up with the changes. I say let the kids at the bottom fight it out. The skilled kids will start to climb up, and the losers will go sell phones in the mall. It's Darwinian.
 
Max is correct to a point, video is more in demand now than in the past. Due to the growth in broadband internet, iPod and other devices, it seems that demand will soon outstrip supply.

Douglas is also , the bottom rung is not were experienced folks like us should be fighting for. Just because a potential client says he can get a college kid to do it for next to nothing doesn't mean we should lower our rates to try to compete.

After taking a sales refresher course yesterday, I noticed that we all need to be better at qualifying our clients and finding out what the decision maker is concerned about - price, quality of product, longevity of product produced, something else?

I'm not interested in competing against a low price because low prices means a lower quality of work than I am comfortable working in. I didn't set out to be a bottom feeder and I don't intend to become one.

Warren
 
Nino has a great article about this sort of stuff on his EFP website. Quite interesting. Quality will always win in the end. Or rather value for money. A lowball client wants lowball quality. You don't need them. Higher paying clients are less common, but can make up for many smaller rubbishy jobs.
 
My Thoughts

After reading all these postings, many good things are said. I have been looking for a video position for the last 10 months. I left my job for being overworked and under paid. I was overseeing a department without the pay or title. Many ask if I should have left. I tell them that I did the right thing. I am happier and getting a well needed vacation. I see it as a new beginning. In my market, if I wanted to return to TV, it will not take me back. I wish I knew why? If they would have hired me ten years ago, I would still be working for them. But that is in the past.

I have always done okay.. Paid the bills and managed to buy new toys. I am not as lucky to work the big gigs as some of you, but I do it because I like what I do. Starting out as a child using the family Super 8 to shoot home movies, moving up to one tube color cameras at my high school. When ask what is my weakness, my love for this business. I do my best to get the best done. As many have suggested to bring their own toys to better their work, I have done it over and over. Back to do the best I can do. To me, bring what is needed to make it happen.

Today, I, like others, question where are business is going? I do have the experience and the equipment, but not as lucky to land the good jobs, as many of you have. Just to get my feet wet, again, I have gone to old business friends to see if they would just feed me a bone.....I know that they own nothing to me, but I did good work and made a mark for them. They rather hire a green kid, and a bunch of them, to do a job, that is half as good if they went with me.

Video is all over the place. If it could be shot on video, I did it.... Sometimes for good money, sometimes not good money. Everyone has pointed out all the new opportunities that awaits us. It is out there, and I do agree we should spread ourselves around. I applied at a major car auto part supply company. Everyone in racing and home uses their product. They advertise all over the race network and magazines. They were looking for a shooter for they web site. They called me up, and I had an over-the-phone pre interview. To me, that is a red flag. They asked the world, but when they asked for a salary, they said it was too much. For months, I have been looking to the Internet for positions. They all wanted for free, or want to pay pennies as they get rich off of your talents. But, then, luck is never on my side. I knew there are good positions. I continue to search.

I have been going to NAB for more than 15 years. I have seen all the great video products. 1999 was the best year for new products. This year, it was pretty close to that. Not that new products were being shown, it was the closing of the standard definition era. Walking all those miles on the floor, I saw only widescreen monitors. There were some 4:3 monitors, but for security reasons. All cameras were HD and SD was not present. The change is here, even if everyone else denies it.

They are many choices of formats. We, as freelance, cannot own all the HD formats. Also, we find it hard to rent equipment on the regular basics. We all go with a format that will pay, and we cross our fingers that it will for a few more years. For others, like me, we will take our chances, and choose a format that will pay off. For me, XDCam HD seems my best bet to survive.

What does this have to do with this thread? Letting me rant. And hope that I made some sense.

Bobby
 
Douglas
You are right, to a point. The fact is that the market for the skilled crew has shrunk. More in some areas, maybe less in yours. In my neck of the woods, it has shrunk a LOT. If I was younger, and not looking to retire soon, I would definately move to another market & start over. But even in good markets, the demand for good crew is spotty because of oversupply.

This highlights the need to be an excellent salesman more than ever. I'm not referring to the fast talking used car salesman but the good, persistant, savvy salesman.
Well, back to my boat shopping...
 
Well, those are unionized staffers at a struggling company in dying industry.
I fail to see how that has any bearing on the video/television freelancers that gather here. Just another example of either evolve or become extinct.

Freedom, it's not "sales". It's "marketing" that is the key. There's a HUGE difference.

Doug
 
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