New NPPA Quarterly Clip Contest

ItsStillFun

ItsStillFun

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First, Please don’t make this into a Pro or Anti- NPPA thread. That is not the reason for this post…

Now that we have finished the first year of the new NPPA TVQCC, I was wondering what people thought of the revamped contest. Particularly from those who have entered both before the changes and into this past year.

We’ve seen several changes including: regions, pools, added Deadline category, and a change from 48hr Feature to Feature category.
What do people like or dislike about the updated version?
What might you change?
Do you still prefer the old version or have you adopted the new version?
Etc…?

Please keep it civil.
 
I really enjoy the station part of the contest. It's fun to see how many station points we rack up each quarter. The only thing I don't like about it is that deadline and spot categories are too similar. If you did a feature story in less than 4 hours, it doesn't stand a chance in that category. Isn't that what deadline should be about? The photographer doesnt have a say in when the story airs, so if they can do a great feature in 4 hours, I think it should be considered. Great contest otherwise.
 
I have to say that when the changes were made I was skeptical. When we fell 2 points short of the top category I was really skeptical. I just trusted Scott Jensen though. After a year, I like the changes that were made. He did a great job and took a lot of heat in the process. It may take another year or 2 to sort out the top categories because some stations don't belong, but that is just the way it had to be.

I agree with Joe that the Deadline category is suspect at the moment. I like it, I like that you can enter a 3rd story and I think we should keep it. Thing is, most stations didn't understand and honor the rules when entering and judging. Deadline in TVQCC had different qualifications than the national BOP and I think that was confusing to judges. I think I agree with Joe that maybe we should just open it up to 4 hours turns of all kind. I think it is either that or more enforcement.

The biggest problem I noticed is the process of disqualification. We had an incident last quarter where a judging station went way over the top with DQ’ing. They DQ'ed the 3 best stories of the category and turned around and awarded 1st place to someone with a similar "feature-like entry". I don't think any single station should have the power to DQ and shouldn’t be allowed their "interpretation” of the rules without oversight. It should be left up to the Regional Chairperson and the "spokesperson" of the judging station to discuss. The Regional Chair should oversee and have the overriding power to make those decisions. They should be the most educated of all and should uphold the competitions credibility. It's unfortunate but true, that some stations that contribute to voting don't have the same level of expertise or the same knowledge of the rules.
I like what they have going and there was improvement from last year. It gives a lot of new stations a better chance to place and get feedback. Everything can get better, but I like the direction we are headed.
 
Matt, thanks for posting that! I just wish the person who DQ'ed those stories sees this. And yes, one of my stories was DQ'ed. O Well.
 
Again I just don't understand it. Why isn't this question posted on the NPPA discussion board.

I'm not trying to sound like a broken record here but everytime someone from the NPPA post something about the NPPA on b-roll it is never posted to their members on the NPPA site board.

Sorry I just don't get it.






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Have you ever been to the NPPA's website? It doesn't even have updated Quarterly Contest results. They use Facebook for everything. Posting here might get a quicker response. Also, you have like 7 options on the NPPA website to post something. I never know which one to use. God, I'm starting to bitch now...LOL!
 
The website is bad and they know it. Facebook isn't all that great but it has helped A LOT with networking.

My friend, there are a lot of NPPA members on here. take a look at your b-roll.net awards finalists. It's become pure entertainment for me and a lot of others to listen to the bashing.

I think b-roll.net/NPPA members will just keep posting here freely. Thanks for your gripe though : )
 
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At the scene said:
Again I just don't understand it. Why isn't this question posted on the NPPA discussion board.

I'm not trying to sound like a broken record here but everytime someone from the NPPA post something about the NPPA on b-roll it is never posted to their members on the NPPA site board.

Sorry I just don't get it.
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That's because I don't represent the NPPA, I'm the only one at my station who currently enters the TVQCC so I was wondering what others think about the new rules because I really don't have anyone to talk to about it.

Maybe some of this feedback will get to someone at the NPPA, I don't know. I don't use that discussion board, (truthfully I didn't even know they have a discussion board...) however I know many members come here.
 
I think that a Solo Journalist Points should go toward his/her Stations overall point total...They work at the station....it seems backwards.
 
Why is it that whenever someone offers up criticism about the NPPA, it's always considered "bashing?" Give me a break. If you guys went into a critique session with that attitude and cried about bashing as much as you do here, you'd get laughed out of the conference hall.

I think At The Scene's question is a valid criticism. Mike Borland started a thread last month about NPPA's board meeting. In it, there was a lot of talk about working on the website, along with starting committees and subcommittees to help out with the task.

Why -- after all these board meetings, budget considerations, committees, and subcommittees -- is the NPPA is still doing things the old way?
 
Honestly I am not trying to be an NPPA basher. This just makes no sense to me that a NPPA member tries to get NPPA information from a different website when the NPPA has their own website.

This really disturbs me:

That's because I don't represent the NPPA, I'm the only one at my station who currently enters the TVQCC so I was wondering what others think about the new rules because I really don't have anyone to talk to about it.

Maybe some of this feedback will get to someone at the NPPA, I don't know. I don't use that discussion board, (truthfully I didn't even know they have a discussion board...) however I know many members come here.
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ItsStillFun one question and this is not a crack at the NPPA. Why are you a member of an organization that you have no idea that they even have a website forum. How do you receive information from your organization.

What does it tell you about the organization that " many of it's members come here". I'm not saying that the NPPA members are not welcomed here I just can't believe that members, paying members are receiving information about their membership from another website.











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I like the new rules. I love the Deadline category, it gives the workaday photogs a legit shot at taking a crack at some of the guys who get their station's in-depth shoots. Now a house fire shooter can theoretically get decent submissions in Deadline, Spot and General in a quarter. It levels the playing field a bit. Speaking of level playing field; I don't like the stratified competition levels. It's a little too much kid glove treatment. I'd prefer to compete against the really great shooters and measure myself against them.
I got rightfully DQ'd last quarter but it irked me a bit that there wasn't some discourse (it was a pretty close call that I wasn't aware of), so I agree with the statements above.

An aside about conversations here that will fall on deaf ears; If you see a posting header and you feel like you might click on it and write some negative stuff that literally does nothing to make our profession or day better... then don't.
 
Hey Mac... I talked to Scott about counting the points. He is going to do it. I think it is only fair for those people and stations.



You two guys are a couple of knuckleheads. I think MANY people are growing tired of your posts and your antics every time someone mentions a certain "4 letters". I don't think you have any idea how unprofessional you make yourself look jumping down the throats of every NPPA member. I wouldn’t want to be you if I was looking for a job. Not only do you make yourself look bad you are giving this website a bad rep. This website shouldn't suffer because you want to start some petty war against your fellow shooters. No one is forcing you to be a NPPA member and no one cares if you left. You really need to move on. This is a website for professionals. Maybe you should try being one and try treating your fellow members like professionals. It is only beneficial to you own career. NPPA members are here and there is nothing you can do about it.
 
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This is just me talking but I think they need to get rid of the pools. I still think it creates a division in class of photography. I want to compete with all in my division not just the lower pool, I feel like I have won awards this quarter not because they are good but they were the best of the rest. I want to go head to head with the big boys so to speak. I may win or I may loose but at the end of the day at least I know it was judged with the best.

In feature the rules need to stay the same all the way through the contest. I never entered feature because how do you keep track of total hrs spent on a story? How do you know they are telling the truth? The contest needs a day turn feature (8 hrs not 12), 48 hr feature, and everything else goes into in-depth.

Other than that everything else has been smooth and getting the results on facebook has been for the most part painless. I do commend Scott for trying something different with the contest because a change was needed and I think he will listen to everyone and try to make changes for the future.
 
MMrozinski said:
I don't think you have any idea how unprofessional you make yourself look jumping down the throats of every NPPA member.
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Please show me where I "jumped down the throat" of any NPPA member in this thread.

MMrozinski said:
You two guys are a couple of knuckleheads.
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Sir, of the two of us, I'm definitely not the one acting "unprofessional" right now.

After your little tantrum, can you honestly tell me you can't figure out why others have such a distaste for the NPPA?
 
Here's where I disagree with my Wavy brothas... As for the Solo VJ, if they want their points to count towards the pool, they should enter their stories in the pool and not in their own category. Keep the playing field at a level and not eating up points in a weaker category. If they are THAT good, they should put it up against our work to begin with,
 
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