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Has anyone used these cards yet? Are you finding any differences?

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Old 07-21-2009, 11:26 AM
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We looked at them about a month ago. I'm not sure if they ended up ordering them or not. Considering the number of our original 4gb cards have gone bad in the first five years we've shot P2 they may be worth it.
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I used them the other day with the HPX 300 and they worked great.
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The only "negative" I've read about them is they only last about 5 years. Well in 5 years, we'll be ready to buy new ones anyway.

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Old 07-21-2009, 12:12 PM
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I think it's approximately five years if you use them every day. It's actually some thing like 100,000 cycles. If you use it less than every day it should last you longer than five years.
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do the cards just stop working after the 100,000 cycles? could you use them longer?
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We have a handful of the E-series 16GIG cards. They seem to work fine so far.
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The cards give you a warning via the camera viewfinder if they are nearing the end of their useful life. But again, you'll have to go at least 5 years to see that.

I have 5 32gb e series cards and they work great. They are also very fast and using a pcd35 card reader (accepts 5 cards at once and attaches to the computer via a pcie card) I'm able to offload a 32gb card (30 to 60 minutes of video) in about 4 minutes.
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I wonder if the life meter is based on a usage meter, or actual analysis of worn memory cells as they are replaced/skipped over.
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what I was wondering is after the card says it is over its useful life...do they still let you record, or will they no longer work.

We have all prob used tapes beyond what the manufacture recomends.....will the P2 cards just stop, or warn you that the quality might not be great? just wondering?

I guess since p2 is so new....no one has expierenced this yet...huh?
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It's not the quality that will suffer, but it will be like digital blockies I would assume as error rate goes too far for the error correction to work properly. I know still photogs who have worn out their CF cards. They start getting errors in their pictures, corrupted files that you can still open or just unopenable files.

Kinda like the analog days where the dropout rate gets too much and even with the frame sync compensating you can see the lines that it's filling in.
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From what I've been told by the local Panasonic sales rep, they have a finite number of times they can be filled and flushed. That's why they give you a count down before they just won't record any more.
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IN 5 YEARS YOU MAY GET A TERRABYTE ON A CARD...


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The only "negative" I've read about them is they only last about 5 years. Well in 5 years, we'll be ready to buy new ones anyway.

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what I was wondering is after the card says it is over its useful life...do they still let you record, or will they no longer work.

We have all prob used tapes beyond what the manufacture recomends.....will the P2 cards just stop, or warn you that the quality might not be great? just wondering?

I guess since p2 is so new....no one has expierenced this yet...huh?
I'm just wondering why are you're so concerned with how E series P2 cards will perform a minimum of 5 years from now? Panasonic estimates that you would have to fill and then wipe/format the cards every day for 5 years before the cards are ready to be replaced. Since the cards only began shipping in April, you have almost 5 years minimum before you start to have to worry about whether you can use the cards past their technological life cycle.

By the way, P2 is not new, only the E series P2 card is new. P2 cards have been proven for years, and the cards have hit their stride this year with affordable and very fast 32 and 64Gb cards (E series).

Using a PCD35 five-card reader, I recently transfered five 32GB cards containing over 6.5 hours of 720P footage to my editing station in *28 minutes*. I was able to start the transfer with a single button click, and then walk away...truly "fire and forget". Within a half an hour, I had 6.5 hours of footage 'captured' and ready to edit.

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But to answer your question: an E series P2 card that reaches its End-of-Life will simply stop recording, but will save the last thing it recorded before it stopped recording. It essentially becomes a Read-Only card, so you can offload the card forever more.

And your camera, again, will warn you multiple times as the card approaches its End-of-Life.
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