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Is it the EX-3 killer?

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Old 02-26-2009, 01:35 AM
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Thanks for posting that.

How many times can they say "Yeah, it's lower resolution but..."

I do like that it actually sits on your shoulder. It's 4:2:2. Not Long GOP. Etc. I'd like to know more about the chips and see the output vs an EX-3 for my self.
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As a shooter, I was really surprised with how much I liked the Z1 (so much I bought my own Z7) after really hating every other teen-camera (smaller than Beta) that I got my hands on.Even so...

(Picture SNL weekend update's "really" segment)

1/3"!?! Really? Really Panasonic? Really, you got the HVX200a & HPX170 schooled by the EX1 & EX3 and a year later you come out with a 1/3" camera to beat their 1/2"? Really.

Still, Panny has a point about LOG GOP, so I am looking forward to some more hands on real world tests. There are a lot of things about this camera that could push P2 ahead of XDCAM EX & turn it into a lasting format war. But if it had 1/2" chips, there might be a lot more people wanting to get behind it.

It will be interesting to see if it holds up to people's standards & gets put into coveted territory like being a "Silver" camera for Discovery.

Overall though, big props for Panasonic.
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I also want to add (because I'm not a perfect person), I'm going to enjoy watching all the Panasonic die-hards flip-flop on CMOS. Just when the 2008 election ended...

(IMHO, all things being equal, I'll take CCD over CMOS. But when a CMOS chip has better native resolution & needs less light, then move over CCD.)
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P2 cards gotta get cheaper... nice cam though. Would be a good B cam to my HDX900, especially if I am recording the HDX to a firestore.
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In case anyone missed it:
HPX300 vs. EX3 Rolling shutter example
http://www.b-roll.net/forum/showthread.php?t=23043

http://vimeo.com/3367266
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In case anyone missed it:
HPX300 vs. EX3 Rolling shutter example
http://www.b-roll.net/forum/showthread.php?t=23043

http://vimeo.com/3367266
Wow, BOTH the video & thread have been deleted. I wonder if Panasonic didn't like pandoras box being opened. I'd like to hear from Zacuto why they registered for b-roll, posted the link & then took it down so quickly.

Anyway, for those who missed it, when panned the HPX300 looked like this:
Frame 1. |_|
Frame 2. \_\
Frame 3. |_|
Frame 4. /_/
Frame 5. |_|

The EX3 looked like this:
Frame 1. |_|
Frame 2. |_|
Frame 3. |_|
Frame 4. |_|
Frame 5. |_|
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Wow, BOTH the video & thread have been deleted. I wonder if Panasonic didn't like pandoras box being opened. I'd like to hear from Zacuto why they registered for b-roll, posted the link & then took it down so quickly.
Barry Green and some Panasonic reps on the DVX User site tried to claim that because it wasn't a scientific test it wasn't fair. So Zacuto bowed to them and decided to take it down rather than allow people to make up their own minds.

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Barry Green and some Panasonic reps on the DVX User site tried to claim that because it wasn't a scientific test it wasn't fair. So Zacuto bowed to them and decided to take it down rather than allow people to make up their own minds.

Bloody hell, have I really made 1000 posts here?!
1,000 posts, congrats! I keep thinking that I spend a good amount of time on b-roll, but then look at other's post counts.

Wasn't scientific? Wow, that is really really sad.

The round table interview video isn't very scientific either, I wonder if they'll pull that down two. It is just three guys giving their subjective opinion on why they think the camera is great.
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Wow, Zacuto was feeling the heat. Hope they come back here...they're a great resource on all things camera.

I don't think that cmos issue is all that big of deal for 99% of what you'll ever shoot.

Here's a another take on the camera by Philip Bloom---good stuff.

http://philipbloom.co.uk/2009/02/26/...01e/#more-2248
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Barry Green and some Panasonic reps on the DVX User site tried to claim that because it wasn't a scientific test it wasn't fair. So Zacuto bowed to them and decided to take it down rather than allow people to make up their own minds.

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I saw the rolling shutter clip between the EX3 and 300 as well.

The wonkiness on the 300 was very bad. My beloved Red has it as well, but nothing like what I saw in that Vimeo clip.

Somebody pointed out on another board that the Red's rolling shutter was improved drastically with a later firmware update, so lets hope the 300 gets something like that as well.
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I have a chance to test out the HPX300 next week in a quick field test and in a studio. Any suggestions to redo the video tests?
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I have a chance to test out the HPX300 next week in a quick field test and in a studio. Any suggestions to redo the video tests?
I would start with something simple like say cars driving by at night and then still camera flashes maybe 2 at a time like you might get at a celebrity situation. Any others out there ?
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I going to see if we can take it out with the rep to do some outdoor shooting while driving and while filming traffic. I'll see if I can get my hands on a strobe light as well to do the flash test in the office.
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On the deleted clip all they did was tilt the camera up and down on the tripod very quickly. Shooting while driving sounds good. Maybe some fast pans and tilts? Any thing with a lot of camera movement.
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It was mentioned that the panny shoots 4:2:2.
In May, Convergent Design will be releasing the NanoFlash which uses the HD-SDI output of the EX to feed 2 CF cards at rates up to 160mbps at 4:2:2 in MPEG2, 1920 X 1080. It's a little bigger than a Lectro receiver.
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