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Nino
03-02-2008, 07:05 PM
I just got to tell this one. Few days ago I had a 3 cameras shoot, 2 Varicam and a Z1. Two photographers, a soundman, producer and reporter. The story was about a 13 years old boy with physical handicap who is now playing little league baseball. I knew I was in trouble when I saw the shooting schedule, note that I never get a shooting schedule.

Call time 8am set up at subject’s house
Interview, (two people plus reporter) 9 to 10
10 to 10:30 b-roll at the house
10:30 Shoot practice at nearby field
Interview of boy at 11:00
Shoot game.

The interview alone normally would have taken most of the day. I told the 20tish producer that it will never happen and that she should adjust the schedule. “But I was told that you are the best” she told me “yes sweetheart” I told her “you might be right but I flunk miracles in school”. I completely disregarded her schedule in setting the shot and did what I always do. Naturally we had to postpone the boy interview until after the game, now we have to shoot the game, why I’ll never know. She asks me if she can use my Z1 for extra shots so I gave it to her. I was going to be in the center outfield with the long lens and the second camera was in the right field to get the runners going to first, all routine. I set-up the camera over the outfield fence, good shot of the pitcher, the batter, catcher and ump al lined up…… and…..what in the world, the producer with the Z1 camera was sitting on the ground right behind the umpire. I tried calling her on the phone so she can get the hell out of there but she can’t hear the phone ringing. Then my phone rings, that’s the second camera wondering what the f**k she was doing there because he couldn’t get a shot either. I wave at her to get her attention, she sees me and she politely waves back. Finally she moves and I got my shot, almost. The boy hits one and runs to first, I follow him to first and I couldn’t believe what I saw, the producer was sitting on the ground between home and first just inches outside the foul line. This had to stop, time to take charge. If there was ever a time to patronize someone this was it. “Listen sweetheart” I told her “I don’t know how or why you are here or how you got here, is none of my business, but have you ever done these sorts of things before?” She told me that she has a degree in television communication and she has done something similar, and then she dropped the bomb, she attended the Rosenblum VJ workshop. I kindly removed the camera from her hands. “To start” I told her “if someone hit a ball behind not only he might rearrange all those pretty facial features of yours, but it might not do a lot of good to my camera either” “but I was getting good shots” she told me “no you weren’t” I replied “this is an automatic camera and you were shooting into the sky, all you were getting is a lot of pretty silhouettes, you are here to create a story, baseball is not the story, people is the story, there are parents here, teammates and coaches, they all had something to do with this boy making it to the little league, we have 3 cameras shooting basically the same thing, I have a soundman that’s carrying my tripod, we are costing the client about 10K for this day, and you haven’t got a story yet; you are the producer and not the photographer, go and produce, take along the second photographer with the Varicam, the soundman and you and the reporter go and find sounds to go with the story, and one more thing, unless you want become unemployed or work for minimum wages, everything that you’ve learned in VJ school do exactly the opposite”. So they did and they got incredible interviews, parents and coaches were crying when describing what this boy went thru to make it to the little league. After the day was done she wanted to take me out to diner but the day was long enough without turning it into a social event. Sometime you just have to take charge.

Canonman
03-02-2008, 09:50 PM
After the day was done she wanted to take me out to diner but the day was long enough without turning it into a social event. Sometime you just have to take charge.

At least she had the decency to try and show you some appreciation for stepping in and saving her a$$ from producing a bad product. I'm sure you'd had enough by the end of the day though.

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Baltimore Shooter
03-02-2008, 10:24 PM
But she went to Rosenblum's VJ workshop, she knows everything there is to know about producing good teevee. In fact she's so smart, she could teach you a thing or two about how producing good teevee. Because she went to Rosenblum's VJ workshop and you didn't.

[/scarcasm].

:D

Warren

Rutledge
03-03-2008, 01:12 AM
The lesson here is, don't wait to take charge.
She may have been receptive to some direction when you gave her the camera.
Did you really call her sweetheart?
Maybe you should have told her to get back in the kitchen, where she belongs.

Icarus112277
03-03-2008, 01:36 AM
Good move, sometimes you have to do what needs to be done.

Nino
03-03-2008, 07:26 AM
Yes, I did call the “sweetheart”, there are certain allowances that are permitted with my years in this business and my age. I also told ether that between the 3 of us in the crew we have over 70 years of combined experience, that’s a precious and valuable resource, use it.

I realized what the problem was after I was told that she attended the VJ school. Typical of Rosenblum’s teaching, he has been brainwashing these kids that we are extinct and our methods of production are a thing of the past and they are the future. Did not take long for her to realize that what she was doing had no present or future. Took her just minutes to realize that Rosenblum concept was not even close to create impact stories and if she continued she was walking off the shoot and right into the unemployment line. In a matter of seconds, and for free, I made her understand that the producer is an important part of a production, but be a producer first and be part of the team, let people in your team with other skills do their job and don’t try to do theirs, she was trying to do it all and she was failing miserably. Be assured that on her flight back home she had a very different opinion of Rosenblum and his screwy concept of production that she had just hours before, there’s nothing like a good dose of real working experience, also in her eyes I did not longer looked like a dinosaur. Rescued one, 8,999 more to go.

Sean-1966
03-03-2008, 08:00 AM
Hell, I give her credit for listening to you. Some of the 20 something producers I've worked with would have ignored me and then bitched later.

freedom
03-03-2008, 08:35 AM
I agree with sean. you were lucky it didn't turn into something real bad. hq must have given her a pretty good speech in support of you. that is rare. you're lucky.

Nino
03-03-2008, 08:44 AM
Hell, I give her credit for listening to you. Some of the 20 something producers I've worked with would have ignored me and then bitched later.

Probably if we have had the same conversation over lunch or in another setting it would have gone right over her head, but being right there and with real live demonstration on how she was screwing up had impact. This is actually the first time that I came face to face with live results of Rosenblum’s teaching and it sucks. Everything that I’ve been telling him for years that he’s been doing wrong it was right there in front of me. The main difference was that she understood and took action to correct it and he continues down the same path. Then they wonder of why nobody is taking them seriously, do acceptable work and you get attention.

Canonman
03-03-2008, 08:59 AM
Hell, I give her credit for listening to you. Some of the 20 something producers I've worked with would have ignored me and then bitched later.

That's kind of what I was saying. From what I read, she invited Nino to dinner as a debt of gratitude, something that's not germane to many 20 somethings in this day and age.

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Nino
03-03-2008, 09:02 AM
I agree with sean. you were lucky it didn't turn into something real bad. hq must have given her a pretty good speech in support of you. that is rare. you're lucky.

Wasn’t coincidence that she was there. They’ve been sending me green producers and on- camera talents for years, I often thought that I should get paid extra for being also an instructor, but they make it up in volume. The client instructions are simple and to the point “go, listen, ask, learn and shut-up”. This however was the first time that somebody tried to prove that they can do better than the “dinosaur” and she was spelling Rosenblum a mile away. Took her four hours to realize that she was screwing up, I did exactly what the client expected and hoping that I do, it's called job security. I should have wised-up and stepped in when I saw the schedule.

Nino
03-03-2008, 09:16 AM
That's kind of what I was saying. From what I read, she invited Nino to dinner as a debt of gratitude, something that's not germane to many 20 somethings in this day and age.cm

You're absolutely right, she was extremely grateful at the end of the day although at first she did not look very happy when I started telling her what to do. She even helped us load the equipment back in the van, that's progress. She kept on talking and asking questions while everybody was eager to go home, but we all stayed and answer any question she had. Please keep in mind that I'm never nasty, I've raised 3 kids and 2 are older that she was. I'm always encouraging and positive in my teaching but sometime you have to be firm and show what they are doing wrong and I don't think that there's a "nice" way to get them to understand, especially when they are convinced that they are the best and have nothing to learn, a little dose of reality goes a long way. We are talking about their future, that's important.

Rutledge
03-03-2008, 01:52 PM
In the end it sounds like she was greatful for the experience. I'm sure most of us remember our own learning curve, the first part of that curve is pretty steep.

I used to work regularly with a reporter that graduated from Harvard and she had no common sense. So, I am not sure that the school makes all the difference. If they aren't receptive to learning, then they, probably, aren't going to be working with us for long.

In two years this one will most likely be the crew booker for your favorite client.

Michaelrosenblum
03-06-2008, 01:42 PM
The best part of your notice is that the interview alone would take most of the day.
That interview nets you, what, 2 soundbites? 3?
And THAT takes you all day (and at your rates!)
Hoo boy, I see how you are paying for that pool!
You remind me of taxi drivers in NYC who charge tourists
$500 to drive them 10 blocks, but take the 'scenic' route.
Have fun pal, while it lasts.
All day for the interview... ha ha ha
You sure know how to 'stick it to em'.
Congrats./

dhart
03-06-2008, 01:50 PM
Easy Nino, don't take the bait -:)

Necktie Boy
03-06-2008, 02:54 PM
Yea, don't take the bait....

Nino
03-06-2008, 03:19 PM
I would if Michael would know anything about television production. Trying to explaining that to him would be the equivalent of giving gourmet candies to a mule and expect appreciation in return.

Grip
03-06-2008, 04:40 PM
So Rosenblum, you are saying Nino is "sticking it to them"

And then you compare him to some criminal cab driver..... but in reality, he gave away a service that you over charge for.

And by the sound of it, this young lady got more information and education in one afternoon with Nino than two weeks with you.

So for all you young people out there, you would be better off booking Nino for a day and paying his day rate, rather then having to sit through a bunch of poor teachings from a scam artist.

Seriously, it would save you time and probably money, and you would learn more.

Run&Gun
03-06-2008, 05:53 PM
Nino, was this an E:60 shoot? I've had a few "youngins", too.(even though I'm only 31). We had an interview back in November, and the producer NEVER set-up or cleared it with the venue we were going to be shooting in. Just took the subjects word that we could do it. AND never told the subject what type of interview it was. The subject thought it was gonna be a 5 minute off the shoulder... I don't like being on location over 2 hours without even unloading my truck or setting up a single light and having to do the producers job of clearing everything and getting a location to do the interview in while I should be setting-up.

Nino
03-06-2008, 08:27 PM
It wasn't for E:60 but they used the same cameras configuration. I did a similar show few days earlier for E:60 with another young producer but she did okay. She asked questions, got answers and did her job and I must say she did it well in spite of her age, the big difference was no Rosenblum teaching there.