P2 is Botox

[cameragod]

http://www.studiodaily.com/main/video/7736.html

Ignore the Panasonic sales pitch and check out the Editors reply.

[SandRat]

Ouch ... Bitcentral people were talking about how much trouble they've been having with P2. It seems that if you're in need of a news-style workflow, P2 is a bit troublesome.

[rocky1138]

Ouch ... Bitcentral people were talking about how much trouble they've been having with P2. It seems that if you're in need of a news-style workflow, P2 is a bit troublesome.

is there a link at all for thier complaints?

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nice video cameragod, I liked what Howard Brock had to say, but I think the key thing he said is 'P2 is good for news... b/c most raw footage is old news & doesn't need to be saved'

I like P2, I think it works great for daily turns, ie ENG. it can work, but not as well as something like XD when you get into commercial productions, anything where you are saving most/all of your raw footage.


anyone know if the Time-of-Day timecode issue is really that big of a problem w/ P2? or is it still effective for news?

[SandRat]

No link, this was a conversation I had with two reps.

[Baltimore Shooter]

I like P2, I think it works great for daily turns, ie ENG.

Actually, I don't think it will, unless you save everything you shot onto your servers, which is impracticle. Eventually, you will delete something that you thought was unimportant and doesn't mean anything but later realize that shot or scene's importance. Case in point - the seemingly unimportant hug Bill Clinton gacve Monica Lewinsky on a campaign stop. Seemed pretty unimportant at the time, only later does it reveal it's importance. If you shoot something like that on P2, and just delete it, you'll never be able to go back to it the way you could if it was on tape or XD.

So I don't see how P2 can be used for news or any other form of production. It's just not practicle.

Warren

[rocky1138]

I don't want to hijack you're thread into a full out P2 debate, but...

If you shoot something like that on P2, and just delete it, you'll never be able to go back to it the way you could if it was on tape or XD.


Not true, if you have a good IT guy on staff (or the CIA looking at your hard disc ;) nothing is ever completely deleted until your hard drive meets a hammer.

I'll agree that it is easier to accidentally delete a file than it is to re-record over a tape. But no matter what you're using, if you know how to label something properly, you should have a much easier life.

Every place I've worked saves very few raw tapes. Everything else gets recorded over w/ in a month (some times as short as a couple days when the chief doesn't order more tapes).

Is this a good way to run a newsroom? I don't think so, but I don't pay the bills. Yet it is rare that I need something from a couple months ago that wasn't saved in a package or VO.

In places that only save 0.01% of their raw footage, shooting on a format that you're constantly erasing the data can make a lot of sense.

If you work at a place that has the $$$ to save a large % of raw footage, then P2 is NOT a good choice.

Find the tool that works for what you're doing.

Every newsroom I've worked in P2 makes more sense than anything else I've seen. When I was in school, when I interned & when I freelanced, P2 wouldn't have been the way to go.

You don't need macro focus on the security camera in your lobby. You don't need 8-speaker surround sound in a microwave live truck. And you don't need to save the raw footage of yesterday's traffic jam for 10 years.

[The Next Generation...]

We use the P2 Cards in roughly half of the cameras in our shop and the cards are more trouble than what they are worth (for News gathering). We use a server based AVID system and it takes almost as long to ingest the footage as a tape does and THEN on top of that you have to convert all the DATA to a usable format THEN you have to put all the individual clips on a timeline and do a Video Mixdown so you have one large timeline rather than a hundred individual clips. I do NOT like those things at all!! :mad: