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dhart
06-29-2006, 10:36 AM
On the other message board there was a discussion about Drew Carey's Sporting Adventure in Europe (basically Drew shooting still photos @ the World Cup) Somebody at the Travel Channel thought it would be a good idea to make video show at the same time. This would be crewed by Michael’s much vaunted VJ’s

I TiVoed an episode just to see how this concept was coming along. Hmmm, not only are these people not very good videographers, they're not very good journalists either. What a mess. The show mostly consisted of Drew stopping fans on the street and asking them to give a cheer for the home team. Then there was a segment in a cab Drew reviewing the still shots he made at that days match and wondering if he was really a photographer (he's not bad). No story line that I could discern. Just a bunch of random all too obvious "stuff" strung together. I turned it off after about 10 minutes.

I'll somewhat buy the argument that if you have a really compelling story, amateur videography can be forgiven. But when you have bad videography and bad storytelling I think you are in some serious trouble.

The only way this show got on the Travel Channel is because Drew Carey was in it. I think Michael has some work to do with his VJ’s on the journalism side. Maybe after they can learn to tell a coherent story he can let them loose with a DV cam. But if it is as I suspect really too much for one person to be storyteller, videographer and soundperson all rolled into one then his revolutionary new concept should die off after he leaves the business.

One more point. The reason that network television has a leg up on IP TV is that they are masters of storytelling and have a stable of highly qualified picture and sound makers working for them. If they degrade their product to the level of the amateurs now producing product for the net, they'll just be another bad IP video address.

ED Scott
06-29-2006, 02:36 PM
I've seen the show, and if it wasn't for Drew Carey, the show would flop. The Vj's are just what you would expect. As MR has stated, "you get what you pay for". It's kind of like Americas funniest videos as far as quality of shooting goes, some shots work, others do not, but without Drew Carey this show would be cancelled.

Grangeway
06-29-2006, 07:48 PM
I've seen the show, and if it wasn't for Drew Carey, the show would flop. The Vj's are just what you would expect. As MR has stated, "you get what you pay for". It's kind of like Americas funniest videos as far as quality of shooting goes, some shots work, others do not, but without Drew Carey this show would be cancelled.

I agree with ED Scott for the most part. The weak links on this show are the HDV cameras and operators. The shooting is a slight bit better than America's Funniest Home Videos but not by much. It looks worse than the video I shot when I first started as a news photographer at WHO-TV back in 1983. This show would look great if it were shot on an SDX900, XDCAM or DigiBeta by someone who knows what they're doing.

It's got the elements to be an awesome show: Drew Carey goofing around, Europe in the summer and the Beautiful Game. The pilot episode made me want to go back to Barcelona. Mmm... Barcelona.

What's really sad is that P.F. Bentley is one of the credited camera operators for this show. He is one of the great print photojournalists of our time. See his fine work on Bill Clinton's 1992 Presidential Campaign. I'm not sure if the guy can't shoot moving video or if MR's formula has bludgeoned Bentley's photographic talents into the fetal position.

I'll hold my nose and continue watching simply because of Drew Carey and the World Cup backdrop but I'll feel like a cheap whore because it's an MR product. Unlike DHart, I'm okay with the scattershooting approach to the storyline because the World Cup itself is a scattershoot.

On a side note, I'm looking forward to this weekend's quarterfinal match between France and Brazil- a rematch of the 1998 World Cup final. It would be cool to Zinedine Zidane go out a winner but Ronaldo needs to step away from the buffet.

Flaca Productions
06-29-2006, 07:53 PM
What's really sad is that P.F. Bentley is one of the credited camera operators for this show. He is one of the great print photojournalists of our time. See his fine work on Bill Clinton's 1992 Presidential Campaign. I'm not sure if the guy can't shoot moving video or if MR's formula has bludgeoned Bentley's photographic talents into the fetal position.


Absolutely correct. Actually - see ANY of his work. I met him and got to know him when he was out with Bob Dole in 96....good guy. Great still photographer.

Icarus112277
06-30-2006, 04:42 PM
I think there are two reasons it got on Travel channel- 1) it has Drew and 2) everyone else passed.