Wertheimer

[Some Guy in LA]

Outshoots outworks outvolunteers outteaches outrandomactsofkindness outproduces outstorytells outshines outfathers outhugs outdrives outnotbetterbeeatingLutefisk outthinkssafety outandoutthegreatest...outrageous...and getting better all the time, to quote my favorite band.

Congratulations Dave on the First Place...and the Golden Road ahead!!!

Robert and Chris' dad :D

[mknisely]

Your my HERO Dave! Thanks for being a great friend I can share my yuenglings with!

Peace

[<Dave Wertheimer>]

Special thanx to all the support for the last 24 hours since I left KSTP.

I am a very rich man in the fact that through all the contacts I have made over the years I have a great many people who believe in me.

I hope anyone who does not agree with the direction they are going in has the courage and support to make a change like I did.

The road ahead looks good.

A very humble thank you to all who care!

Dave Wertheimer
Former Photojournalism Manager
KSTP-TV

[<jerseyguy>]

Dave,
You were my instructor at the '03 NPPA Workshop in Oklahoma. I admire your strenth and hope to follow in your footsteps. Good luck.

[Land Rover]

Sorry to see you leave KSTP Dave. Best of luck to you.

[<good luck>]

I also was graced with Dave's knowledge at a NPPA workshop...So good luck, Dave on your new endeavor's...

Now to be nosey, what happened? Why are we wishing you good luck?

[the big kahuna]

Dave You rock!!!!What you have given to this industry and to people in general can never be paid back.

Thanks for being a GREAT teacher, friend!

Aloha, the big kahuna

[Jane Boulen]

So, Dave, I guess this means I won't get a KSTP coffee mug from you!!! ;) I won't wish you luck because you've always landed on your feet. This won't be any different. You've helped many a young photographer learn about the spirit of our business. Thanks for your many contributions in an industry which is determined to eat its young.
Jane
p.s. I still have pins for you. E-mail me your home address.

[<Dave>]

I had the pleasure to hang out with you for two days back when I was an intern about ten years ago. This was WTVD in North Carolina.
In those two days, I learned so much about becoming a photog in this crazy buisness. Thank you for your wisdom. Good Luck!

I too am nosey, I know you left KSTP, where are you going?

[<RFrost>]

Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;


Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,


And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.


I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I--
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.

___________________________
Dave, you have taken the road less travelled. A road which seems a little higher than one would perfer. Whatever you do, you will continue to make all the difference in the world. Thank you for your heart day in and day out; no man has a heart bigger than you -- nor does he wear it on his sleeve right by his camera like you.

Your future is bright make sure you have some shades my friend!

[<Cement>]

Up next...

Dave up for sainthood!

[<doofuss>]

once again,,,wha'happen?

[<lo>]

If someone would be so kind to fill in the 95% of us reading this thread as to what Dave is doing next.

[<Dave Wertheimer>]

All,
Thank you for the kind words.
I left KSTP in a difference of opinion on the direction of how the station is going, I wish them well.
For now I have enjoyed the weekend being unemployed, and without a pager for the first time in 23 years.
Stay tuned, I have things cooking that will be anounced in the days ahead!

Dave Wertheimer
Former Photojournalism Manager
KSTP TV

[<At the Scene>]

Dave, I don’t know you or have ever meet you but good for you. I too do not like the direction news is going. It’s all about quantity not quality, at my station we are shooting 2 – 3 pkgs a day and a vo sot, that’s 2-3 different stories, for noon 5:00.5:30 and 6:00 and I’ll be honest they look like ****. I was pretty competitive in the NPPA quarterly but I haven’t entered in a couple of years. One-sided stories, slammed together pkgs. Very frustrated and looking to get out! Good luck in whatever you do.

[<Rollercoaster Daddy>]

A terrific father, a great human beings, an excellent teacher, and an inspiring photjournalist. Good luck Dave!!! Let me know if you need anything.

Love, The Rollercoaster Daddy

[<are you really?>]

Dave is it true? Could you be the main mast now at the number 9? Will its ship now sail into the hearts and minds of the demos you once held? Features again? Storytelling again? Knicley has a good thing going over there, are you next?

[<MinniME>]

Dave would love to see you over at FOX9 with Knicley. In the direction FOX9 is going you both would create a force to be reckoned with!

[<the new guy>]

Thank you Dave for all that you've taught me. Your kindness and genorosity is something I will remember throughout my career. You believed in me and gave me every possible opportunity to meet and learn from the best in this business, namely yourself. You are a great friend and I appreciate all you've done to help me get a start in this business. I just hope I can be half the professional and family man you are someday.

Thanks again Dave,

nick

[<Brandon>]

I haven't been with you as much as Nick has, Dave, but the time I have spent learning from you has been invaluable. Not many journalism students have the incredible opportunity to have a Dave Wertheimer in their school's backyard! Just wanted to add my thanks for all you've done for not only me, but for the entire UW-River Falls broadcast journalism program. Keep in touch and let us know where you end up!
Thanks Dave!
-Brandon

[<Is he mature?>]

Originally posted by &lt;Dave Wertheimer&gt;:
Special thanx to all the support for the last 24 hours since I left KSTP.

I am a very rich man in the fact that through all the contacts I have made over the years I have a great many people who believe in me.

I hope anyone who does not agree with the direction they are going in has the courage and support to make a change like I did.

The road ahead looks good.

A very humble thank you to all who care!

Dave Wertheimer
Former Photojournalism Manager
KSTP-TV Let me get this staight.

This guy quits with no job? He has a family and quits a job without having another one to go to?

It seems like he quit his job on a spur of the moment issue. He may not have liked where he was but something happened and he pulled a Geronimo.

No real bright. Not a good example to set for others. Not a mature decision by any means. Maybe he's a lucky guy and the wife has a job that will carry him thru this tempertantrum quitting. I'm sure his next employer will be so impressed with the way he left his recent job. It will also be a shining example of an NPPA go-getter not having the maturity to deal with real life situations. Instead we see a display of whiney childishness topped off by a "I quit".

Yeah, go for it buddy. Show the world what an immature action will result in. I don't care how many awards you've won. If that's the way you handle your job responsibilities, not to mention your family responsibilities, then I'm not impressed in the least.

Chaulk up one black eye for an NPPA award winner. Maybe that should read award whiner ;)

[<MII>]

I know Dave, but never worked with him. I have friends that are friends with him and his wife. They seem to believe Dave is a decent guy with a good marriage.

I think Dave's smart enough that he probably thought it through. Do you really think a recently married guy would make a decision without talking to his wife? If he was struggling at work, I'm sure they had more than one conversation about it. I'm sure she'd probably rather have him happy in his professional life, so his personal life wasn't affected. My wife would. Maybe that's because we have a grown-up relationship. For better or for worse right?

If he did it at the spur of the moment, and his wife found out that day when she came home from work, then shame on him....but it's none of your business or concern, nor mine. So take your bitter, judgemental attitude home to your wife and kids, I'm sure they'll love you for it.

[<natpop>]

Is he mature if you know just a shred of anything about Dave you know that the boy can write his ticket anywhere. Dave is a first class guy and someone we need in this business as a mentor, instructor and overall decent human being.

He was a big influence on me during the NPPA '02 workshop. It is a shame that KSTP has lost a true storyteller. I only hope that Mark Anderson can make the same decision Dave did if it is truly as bad up there as I hear.

Good luck Dave (not that you need it) and Godspeed.

[<MII>]

How do you know? Have you done it? I have quit with no job lined up twice. Both times were on priciple. I have no regrets about it. It only made my life better. It always led to more money and a better experience.

As for writing his own ticket, sorry to say that it's pretty much true. I worked in MSP and was able to write my own ticket to my next job. Having a Minneapolis station on your resume only helps. I can think of a few who went on to work at Poynter or become ND's and EP's in top 20 markets. It's not guaranteed a shooter from Minneapolis can walk into any job he/she wants, but again, it doesn't hurt.

[<Is he mature?>]

Originally posted by &lt;MII&gt;:
As for writing his own ticket, sorry to say that it's pretty much true...It's not guaranteed a shooter from Minneapolis can walk into any job he/she wants, but again, it doesn't hurt. You contradict yourself in your own post. No surprise.

So you also quit a job with no notice AND you had a family to support?

That's not something I'd be proud of EVER!

Watch what happens with Mr. Wertheimer. It will be a nice reality check for you and others. ;)

[Raiderfan]

Hey is he mature,

Why don't you stop knocking him if you aren't in the situation? You don't know what is going on in his life, and I am willing to guess he has talked it over with his family. Looks like you have too much time on your hands if you are worrying about everyone else's life but yours.

[Scott Utterback]

Immature... you are the one making assumptions. You keep saying it was "spur of the moment"... were you there? You said it was a tantrum.... were you there? You say he is irresponsible but do you know his financial situation? Do you know how much is in his savings account? Do you honestly think it will take long for someone with Dave's talent and skill to land a new job? In fact the only thing you are right about is staying unregistered... that way we can't associate a name with your cowardly mean spirited self.

[MII]

I think Dave used to beat somebody up and take their lunch money, and now that poor little boy is bitter.

By the way, how did I contradict myself? You didn't explain. No surprise since you haven't made a logical point yet. I've been through a similar situation, so you can't say I don't know what I'm talking about.

I never thought a photog quitting would cause such a stir, but way to go Dave!

[Beef]

Originally posted by &lt;Is he mature?&gt;:
quote: Originally posted by &lt;natpop&gt;:
Is he mature if you know just a shred of anything about Dave you know that the boy can write his ticket anywhere.Write his ticket anywhere?

I think you and others are making some very hopeful assumptions. Let's sit back and watch what happens to Mr. Wertheimer. Let's see what great job he gets after his spur of the moment decision to walk away from his job with no notice to his employer. I'm sure it will be a learning experience for many of you.

He may be a nice guy. Now he's a nice guy without a job and a family to support. He seems to put his work above family stability. That's not a sign of maturity or intelligence.

Do you think he and his wife went out last night to celebrate his decision? How about his kids? Yes, sometimes it's smarter to bite the bullet and find anther job to jump to BEFORE you blow off your current boss. No matter how bad you think it is. Nothing is worse than what Mr. Wertheimer is putting his family thru now. He has no one to blame for that except himself ;) I have never met Dave Wertheimer but I became familiar with his reputation as a dedicated photojournalist with a GREAT work ethic early in my career 12 years ago.
I watched the tape he made for aspiring photographers a few times, and all along I thought, here's an organization that sets an example for people who want to get somewhere in the business and here's a guy who's willing to teach about the craft on his own time.
There is something to be said about people like Dave...a nice guy.
I guess there is something to be said about "insiders" who try to ruin the reputation of a former employee.
What type of news program will KSTP put forth now?
What will be the mood in the newsroom?
Time will tell...

[<KSTP_WANNABE>]

So without the NPPA interest, will KSTP finally go UNION?
I heard the former managment used the NPPA as a way of "brainwashing" the photogs into staying away from unions.
What does this shop pay?

[SwampOtter]

I can sympathize with Dave. I'm happy at my shop, buy my wife had a job she used to love and went south over the course of a year. Every day for months she would wake up and say "I don't wanna go to work! I hate my job!" She was constantly miserable and begged her to quit. "But we need the money," she'd say. Yes, money is a good thing, but so is happiness. I'd tell her we would survive. There are jobs elsewhere.

Eventually her company restructured and she was laid off. A lousy way to go, but inside I was elated. Sure enough, she found a job shortly after. I met Dave at the NPPA workshop many moons ago and not only does he have that midwestern work ethic, but he's a helluva guy. I have no doubt that he and his family will be just fine.

[<natpop>]

Is he mature you obviously have no idea who Dave Wertheimer is do you? Have you been in this business very long? KSTP was the NPPA station of the year this past year, they were 2nd the year before. Dave had a great deal to do with that. Dave is well known in this business and being photo manager at an NPPA station of the year pretty much writes your ticket anywhere.

As you might or might not have read, Dave said he has some things "cooking." I know Dave also has the interests of his family at heart. But sometimes your family life will be tons better if your work life is happy and fufilling. Dave is a smart guy, he'll bounce back and be shooting in no time, then once again we'll have someone to emulate.

[vdoguy]

Hey "Is he mature". You're worse than a reporter right out of college on an ego trip! For you to attack him when you have no idea what happened AND you don't even know the guy, well, that's just about as stupid as a person can be!!

Dave, I don't know you, but from reading all the posts from everyone else, I feel as if I do. No doubt you're a first rate shooter and more importantly, a first class guy. Good luck and may God bless you with a great new start!

[<Is he mature?>]

Originally posted by &lt;natpop&gt;:
Is he mature you obviously have no idea who Dave Wertheimer is do you? Have you been in this business very long? KSTP was the NPPA station of the year this past year, they were 2nd the year before. Dave had a great deal to do with that. Dave is well known in this business and being photo manager at an NPPA station of the year pretty much writes your ticket anywhere. And after all that hoopla of NPPA station of the year, tell me again? What were their ratings? How many photogs got laid off? Where did all those laid off photogs go? I bet they "wrote their own ticket" too! Don't make me laugh!

I do know Dave. He is a nice guy but being a nice guy doesn't absolve anyone from making bad decisions. Being a nice guy also doesn't automatically make someone a pro.

Dave made his decision. In a flash he got mad and walked out the door. Yes, I do know what happened. I'll let you wonder for a bit how I got my first hand vision of this event. I'm not seeing this from the outside as so many of you wish.

Dave is a nice guy who decided he knew more than the boss. He decided his job didn't matter. He decided his family came second. Instead of finding another job before quitting he decided to showboat. As will soon become apparent being a showboat does not mean you get respect. Especially when you are out of work and looking for that next job.

I wish David the best. He's going to need it and part of this period of suffering could have easily been avoided if he'd been a mature employee and a caring famliy man. Instead Dave did something so many NPPA members do. They think of themselves first. Now let's watch as David discovers just what kind of job opportunities are out there for a photog with a will known reputation and attitude. It will be educational for many of you ;)

[Raiderfan]

Is he mature,

I don't know you, and I don't know Dave, but get off your high horse and stop preaching. What do you care? It's not your life so stop minding what other people are doing with their OWN lives.

[McColl]

IS HE MATURE:

There are a lot of replies here, and almost every person has mentioned whether or not they know Dave. It is clear, above all, that you do not.

Understand this: DW is widely respected in this business, among photographers AND managers. The best storytellers in the biz love the guy; look how this thread started before you hijacked it. In fact, the first negative things I've heard or read about the guy were your moronic and clearly uninformed comments above. Another anonymous winner.

Know that this teacher and advocate didn't get to where he is through immaturity. You really ought to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. I'm quite sure that he cares much more about the future of his family that you allege to. Take your jealousy elsewhere, champ.

Not that you need it... but good luck, Dave.

[<Is he mature?>]

Originally posted by &lt;Is he mature?&gt;:
[QUOTE]And after all that hoopla of NPPA station of the year, tell me again? What were their ratings? How many photogs got laid off? Where did all those laid off photogs go? I bet they "wrote their own ticket" too! Don't make me laugh!Simple questions which so many of you prefer to ignore. I guess the answers would fly in the face or your optimism about how many photog jobs are out there and what the value of being a part of the NPPA machine does or does not have in the real world of business.

It's a lot easier to rah rah behind an award winning photog who shows his own lack of understanding of the employee/boss relationship.

Here's a clue. Photogs do not run the shop.

Dave decided to leave without thinking.

Others are now watching to see what happens to him.

Let's watch David "write his ticket" shall we?

Get back to me when you see where his ticket takes him. ;)

[eb]

Dave,

Hey there! Keep in touch.
Like the Little River Band says....
"Time for a Cool Change."
God's blessings always.
Hope to see you sometime soon!

-Eric B.

[<natpop>]

Is he mature don't you shoot anything during the day? You obviously have the most time on your hands so I wonder what you know about shooting or the biz. I will gladly wait to see where Dave writes his ticket. When I/we do, you better show yourself in here again so you can eat your words.

Don't tell me you have "firsthand" knowledge of what happened. I just flat out refuse to believe you because you obviously are uninformed about who Dave is in the first place.

For the record, maybe Dave DID know more than management. That is possible you know. Photogs might not run the shop as you say but we may actually KNOW more than management, that is the case at my shop.

[<cup cake (MR.)>]

Dave,
I hope all is well. I've been in your shoes
before I know what it's like. Let's stay in touch
and I'll see you same place, same time, next year.
Maybe some of these nuckel heads will join us...

Mr. Cupcake


"get out da box" :cool: :cool:

[<Tao Te Ching>]

Kindness in words creates confidence. Kindness in thinking creates profoundness. Kindness in giving creates love.

I challange you all to become a possibilitarians. No matter how dark things seem to be or actually are, raise your sights and see possibilities; always see them, for they are always there.

[<BetaHead>]

Kindness in words creates confidence. Kindness in thinking creates profoundness. Kindness in giving creates love.

I challange you all to become a possibilitarians. No matter how dark things seem to be or actually are, raise your sights and see possibilities; always see them, for they are always there. &lt;Tao Te Ching&gt; I can only add, how you act is who you become.

Dave made a decision as we all have at some point in time. Remember we are a product of our environments. So choose the environment that will best develop you toward your objective. Analyze your life in terms of its environment. Are the things around you helping you toward success -- or are they holding you back?

[fstop]

Wow Dave,
Two papes on the message board. Not only are you a great photog, you're also a great topic.
gook luck!

[Some Guy in LA]

Dave did something we wish we had the guts to do at one point or another in our careers. He saw something he knew in his heart was wrong, and wanted to correct it.

Now, this is hopefully why we got into our profession. To improve the world...at least a little bit. Once or twice a year, we actually do stories that truly lift our communities. A lost child is found...because of the TV coverage. Wrong is righted. Voters are informed. Donations for a great cause are raised.

That in mind, it's a whole different can of worms when you see the place you love head...in a direction you can't stand. So instead of biting the bullet, he protested.

Dave will indeed find work at a better place...and fairly soon. Even in a bad economy, the very best still get work. And I hope my sons will be as proud of me some day as his son will be of him.

"So many people talk the talk. So few people walk the walk." (wish I knew)


SGILA

[Lensmith]

This has turned into quite a thread.

I must say the majority here seem to be basing their opinions on a situation they don't know much about. Specifically what it was that caused this guy to quit.

Without that specific information the rest is a lot of blowhard attitude.

I will add I never thought it was ever a good idea to quit over an editorial dispute. The main reason is you lose out on unemployment.

I hope Dave Wertheimer has some cash saved to take care of himself and his loved ones. No matter how fast he finds another job he is in for some difficult times. I can't imagine his latest employer giving any kind of positive reference to future employers. His awards are nice and show he has talent but if I was a betting person he's probably going to have to make a move out of his present market. Even if it is for a better job those expenses and the stress are going to be difficult to deal with.

Can anyone offer any specifics about what was the actual cause for this talented guy to decide it was better to quit and walk out the door rather than hunkering down and going into a strong job search mode?

[<the reference call>]

Originally posted by Lensmith:
I can't imagine his latest employer giving any kind of positive reference to future employers. His awards are nice and show he has talent but if I was a betting person he's probably going to have to make a move out of his present market. &lt;RIIINNGG&gt;

KSTP: Hello, KSTP television.

Caller wanting reference: Hi we've got a guy here who has a great tape and says he used to be your chief photographer. We have a position open and are checking references for job candidates. The name I'm individual I'm checking on is a Mr. David Wertheimer.

KSTP: I'm sorry but all I can say is Mr. Wertheimer used to work with us and chose to leave without giving us proper notice.

Caller wanting reference: Was Mr. Wertheimer fired?

KSTP: We do not comment on past employees but I can tell you he was not fired. He decided to leave of his own accord with no notice.

Caller wanting reference: I'm a little confused. Mr. Wertheimer was not fired but did leave abruptly with no notice?

KSTP: Again I don't want to go into specifics but yes, he left with no notice.

Caller wanting reference: I see. Well let me ask you this. If Mr. Wertheimer were to apply at your station again for a job would you be inclined to hire him?

KSTP: No. I'm not at liberty to go into specifics but Mr. Wertheimer is not an employee we would rehire.

Caller wanting reference: Is there anything positive you can tell me about Mr. Wertheimer? He has a long list of awards and during his time the station was named NPPA Station of the Year. I would think a photography supervisor during this time would be someone you would want to see stay. There is nothing you can tell me about why he decided to leave?

KSTP: Again I'm not able to get into specifics other than to confirm Mr. Wertheimer was an employee of ours and now is no longer employed by KSTP.

Caller wanting reference: Well that's too bad. We have an opening here we want to fill but we need a team player. Someone who can take direction and work well with others. I'm getting the impression Mr. Wertheimer may not be someone who fits our needs. We've got several other applicants to check out but we appreciate your time helping us learn more about Mr. Wertheimer.

The other applicants have had very good references from their employers and I'm surprised we aren't hearing the same thing from your station. I understand the legal climate of today and I know the limits put on employers to pass on negative information about employees but I can read between the lines and understand what kind of employee Mr. Wertheimer was.

KSTP: I wish I could be more helpful but I am unable to say any more about Mr. Wertheimers time of employment with KSTP.

Caller wanting reference: It's not a problem. We've got other applicants who have much better references. They don't have as many awards but their employers were very free in giving us positive feedback about their work habits and ability to work well with others in a newsroom environment. I thank you for your time.

KSTP: Not a problem. I'm sure you'll find someone else qualified to fill your position.

&lt;CLICK&gt;

[<Joseph Eufemi>]

I am a current KMSP/WTFC (Fox/Upn Twin Cities affiliate) photographer.

First I would like to say I do not understand the bashing going on concerning Wertheimer's decision to leave STP. Why the negativity?

He is the one who has to live with himself and I am sure he did not arrive at his decision lightly-and not before he consulted his family. And I am sure he realizes the consequences of his actions.

It has been rumored he will be working along side my chief Matt Knisely before long, but as of right now only MSP management and those two know for sure.

Weirthiemer and Knisely would be a great team espousing the NPPA model if the rumor is true.

A number of STP managers left the station in recent months but still there is Mark Anderson.

He is the guy who teaches photographers on how to to be storytellers. Anderson is the architect of a formable staff. Even with Werthwiemer's departure they still are, but from Mark's perspective I would think it could not have been easy seeing him go.

From my advantage point in Minneapolis Mark Anderson is the type of person who is at ease letting others under him excel, and being proud as a parent for his photographer's achievements.

Good luck Mark and Dave, and congrats to both of you for building one of the best photography departments in the country.

[<mini series>]

yep,

i see one coming out of this thread
all the drama

you'll laugh
you'll cry
you'll kiss 2 hours goodbye

coming to a&e this fall

"dave and the giant KSTP"

who will be victorious?

[<congrats>]

Don't take the bashing on this thread seriously. It's obviously one guy. One bitter guy. Probably the exact opposite of Dave.

Dave, you are a great phojo and a great all around guy. I met you at the workshop and you took time to watch and critique my work throughout the year. The biz needs more like you. I know you will be fine. In fact, I'm sure great things are in your future. Wherever you end up, they are lucky to have you. And thank you for standing up to the flash and trash bs that's sweeping the tv news nation.

all the best to you

[<how 'bout>]

Originally posted by Lensmith:
Can anyone offer any specifics about what was the actual cause for this talented guy to decide it was better to quit and walk out the door rather than hunkering down and going into a strong job search mode? I wonder if it had anything to do with dropping watermellons off a bridge to simulate what happened to some kids dumped over the side by their mom? ;)

[D-ice]

To all the piss-ants whinning about how Dave quit
and "is he thinking about his family"

Go to Hell...

Dave is a superstud at his craft, ANY STATION
would be VERY SMART and hire him for their staff..

People fail to realize that your always working
for yourself in this job, no matter who hands you
your paycheck.

If you don't push yourself to be good, nobody
else will.

DAve is like Jordan, the basketball player;
He makes everyone around him a better player.

I know, he helped me at a NPPA convention 3
years ago and now I'm kicking ass.

Guys like Dave always land on their feet...
He's got the skills to pay the Bills....

Doug Davenport
Southwest Florida
NPPA member #33617

[<I'm with you Doug>]

Dave will be fine.

He is too good to be out of work very long.

He did the right thing.

This was one of those times the job was more important than anything else!

It takes guts to leave a job when you don't like what is going on! To stand up for what is RIGHT!

Dave is the MAN!

His family will be just fine and we need more people like Dave who know how what to do when a newsroom is being run into the ground!

Good luck Dave! You'll do GREAT!

[<priorities>]

Originally posted by &lt;I'm with you Doug&gt;:
Dave will be fine.

He is too good to be out of work very long.

He did the right thing.

This was one of those times the job was more important than anything else!

It takes guts to leave a job when you don't like what is going on! To stand up for what is RIGHT!

Dave is the MAN!

His family will be just fine and we need more people like Dave who know how what to do when a newsroom is being run into the ground!

Good luck Dave! You'll do GREAT! YEAH MAN! WHO NEEDS FAMILY! IT'S THE JOB THAT COUNTS!

[NoWay]

The bitterness over someone who had the guts to quit a bad situation mystifies me...what is the problem here? I work in Minneapolis and know Dave in passing, from what I see in the field he's a standup guy and a hell of a hard worker. I also know that he's being courted by 2 shops currently in the market, so that blows the theory of moving out of the water, doesn't it?

And as far as the clever lad who did the reference call parody, funny but fictional as hell. Check with your HR department and find out what they tell people who call for a reference...i'll try to save you some time. Because of a fear of lawsuits, all that they will say is that the person in question was an employee and what dates he/she was employed. So that's hardly going to come back to bite him in the ass.

Bottom line is for you to worry about your own house and hope that you have the gonads to do the right thing when the time comes. Dave did the right thing for Dave and i'd bet his family as well, now lets see if we can get past this crap and get back to trashing the NPPA like you normally do. That'll be something fresh to read...Oh yeah, don't forget to trash us prima donnas in the Twin Cities as well, we just can't get enough of that as we get our massage and 9 course meal while we wait for the next award winning story that amuses us.

[<The Goat>]

What an embarassing thread...

Ass-kissers and critcs alike--redeem yourself!

Stop thy foul typing!!

[<KANON>]

Dave, all the best from Denmark. You rock!!!

:D Peter

[<MrHowdy>]

To all you non-believers in this world. Dave is a great man who has done so much more for KSTP in the last 7 years than many people will ever do for anybody thier whole life.

Those who criticize are cowards who allow thier bad attitudes to foster in an world without consequences (the internet).

How many lights were there again Dave? HOW MANY??

[<rumor central>]

Word on the street says Mark Anderson has left too.

Any confirmations here?

Any photogs out there still dying to work in Minnie?

[MII]

Dave could only wish that reference call happened. Then he could sue the pants of off KSTP and Hubbard. Before some of you go spouting off, check with your HR department and see what the station policy says. I bet this is how it would go:

&lt;RING&gt;
KSTP: "Hello?"
POTENTIAL EMPLOYER: "Yeah, I'm calling about a reference on Dave Wertheiemer?"
KSTP: "Yes, Dave worked here for 5 years. That's all I can tell you. If I tell you anymore my HR manager will have I cow and I will be fired. After that Dave will turn around and sue the station and the company for millions of dollars and I will be left to sell widgets in front of the Target Center on Saturdays. Have a nice day. Goodbye."
&lt;CLICK&gt;

[<GOOD LUCK>]

Dave, Good luck. I hope that life continues to treat you and your family with good fortune.

Dale Atchison
Datchison@cbs.com

[Guy Critique]

All,

8 days since I left KSTP and I never would have guessed that a message board would generate 60 responses on 2 pages to this point!

OK, here is the skinny- for the record.

(it is a tearfull good read so here goes-)

I believe family comes first, if you do not put it first it comes last (thank you John Gross).

One of my best friends is my wife's twin sister. Since she was in grade school she has been very sick with a disease called Myesthenia Gravis. Simply put this brilliant loving woman gets very week very fast, takes 40 pills a day and goes through painfull I-V treatments. She loves life, she loves her family, and I am lucky to be included in that family.
KSTP is heading in a direction I did not believe in, Journalistically, Ethically and Safety wise. As a manager with a contract ending I asked to look within the market to see what other possiblilties were out there, and out of my non - compete clause. My non compete was a 1 year 100 mile issue that would have split my family apart. I was given a choice, walk out of the building- quietly -management will forget about your non compete clause and drop off your gear and car later that night. I would have prefered to stay until I found a job, and to continue professionally doing the job I had done happily for 7 years. But since it was important to my family to stay in the market my only choice was to walk out the door. But, I did not do just that. When I came in that night to drop off my gear and car I made sure that every schedule, gear issue and all were taken care of, something I did not have to do. I have a great deal of respect for the people I left behind at KSTP and wish them ALL the best.

In the last 8 days I have found out who my true friends are. The road ahead looks great, lots of possibilities. None are firm right now, I will share them when the time is right.

For those who bash the NPPA: one of the great things about it are the contacts you make around the world. Thank you to all those I have had the honor to meet over the years on assignment or at NPPA events who are being supportive to me now.

For those thinking about going down this road, some advice: Make sure you have a financial safety net, family that cares, and people around the country who believe in you, because they know you would do the same for them.

Kevin Johnson should be comended for creating such a message board that generates so much interest in our buisness. This buisness is a big part of my life and B-Roll is a huge learning too. Thank you Kevin for the forum!

For those who feel that they have to be negative in a setting like this, go ahead. It's a free country and I have to laugh at the lack of faith in yourselves to look at the positive things in life. I also am amaized at the power of rumor and lack of facts can generate such interest.

In the meantime, remember the 3 "F's" in whatever order you like:

Family
Faith
Fotojournalism

Dave Wertheimer
Former Photojournalism Manager KSTP
:)

[Lensmith]

David,

I have never met you other than by word of mouth reputation. Your words live up to that reputation of class and respect you so richly deserve.

For what it's worth, I believe you had no choice but to make the decision you did. A difficult one no doubt but one which keeps you in control of your own life and beliefs.

The situation you were put in, in my mind, is close to criminal on the part of your management. It seems like another example of short sighted, short term leadership, being bullies.

As difficult as it must have been to share the cirmustances you faced with us here on B-Roll. It also shows the need for each one of us to make decisions which are right for our lives and our own priorities.

Bashing people for decisions made under variables we know nothing about is not right. Your talent and maturity will carry you through onto success.

Of that I have no doubt and I wish you the very best in the years to come.

No photographer "wins" or gains respect by being a yes man in life or at work, simply going along with bad decisions made by others who happen to hold a supervisory postition above our own.

Stay strong and don't ever doubt yourself.

You did the right thing.

[Smitty]

I had the privilege to meet Dave last March, covering the Cats in the Elite Eight at the Metrodome, and working out of KSTP in Minneapolis.

This is a guy, who I never met before, other than watching and listening to him inform me and others on the dangers and safety issues regarding ENG/SNG truck operation.

In person, Dave was just like he was on tape.

Genuine, honest, sincere, and "real".

All of which are qualities every photojournalist should strive to exhibit in the television news business. No matter what choices we must make down the road in our career.

Dave, you deserve a pat on the back, for putting you family before "fotojournalism" and making the right decision.

Stay strong and I wish you the best in your future endeavors.

There is no doubt you will land on your feet and continue setting an excellent example for the younger generation of NPPA photographers not only in Minnesota, but also across the nation.

Best regards,

Jon Smith
WTVQ-TV
News Photographer
Lexington, KY
jsmith@wtvq.com

[<Oliver's roomie--#410.>]

I love ya man.

Peace, always!

[<legal bean>]

Originally posted by Guy Critique:

KSTP is heading in a direction I did not believe in, Journalistically, Ethically and Safety wise. As a manager with a contract ending I asked to look within the market to see what other possiblilties were out there, and out of my non - compete clause. My non compete was a 1 year 100 mile issue that would have split my family apart.

Dave Wertheimer
Former Photojournalism Manager KSTPI gotta ask dude.

Didn't you consider the problems a non compete might cause you in the future before you signed the contract? After all, the family problems you are dealing with were around when you signed in the first place.

Hey youngsters out there! Learn a lesson from this. A contract is a legal agreement. It's nice to think you can sign it and then "ask" to be let out of it but in the real world, a legal contract has weight. Don't sign it unless you can live up to it!

Sorry for your problems Dave. Non competes for photogs is a quick sign of a loser station in the first place. Now you know it was a mistake. Don't make the same mistake again!

[<MinniPhotog>]

No photographer is issued a contract non-compete in the TwinCities market, unless they are in management and even then there is loop holes to get out of the non-compete.

However there are photographers who have personal service contracts which only dictate a higher percentage of raise from other photographers each year; those in most cases do not have a non-compete.

[<KMSPhotog>]

Why the hostility? So Dave took the road less traveled; I would have done the same.

Dave will land on his feet. Rumors have turned into sightings and spontaneous life chats in the halls with Dave at FOX9. I have overheard conversations and have seen my Chief working feverishly to bring his best buddy Dave aboard. Will it happen? Only time will tell!

[<legal bean>]

Originally posted by &lt;KMSPhotog&gt;:
Why the hostility? So Dave took the road less traveled; I would have done the same.
I think some of you need to take a chill pill.

My points about signing a contract with a non compete and then thinking you can ignore it are valid.

That is not hostility. If you mean other posts then I'll sit down and be quiet but don't confuse honest opinions for hostility.

The guy was in a tough spot but he did put himself there by signing a contract. No one forced him to sign on the dotted line.

Non competes for photogs is stupid and uncalled for. What's next? A non compete for the teleprompter operator so management can jerk them around and treat them like a slave as well?

I don't blame Wertheimer for finally making the decision he did but he should have never signed a contract unless he was willing to live up to it. His sister in law was already sick when he signed. That was nothing new. It's a good example to everyone else to think long term and not rush into signing a legal document without using their head.

[NoWay]

I don't blame Wertheimer for finally making the decision he did but he should have never signed a contract unless he was willing to live up to it. His sister in law was already sick when he signed. That was nothing new. It's a good example to everyone else to think long term and not rush into signing a legal document without using their head. I think that the problem is that you seem to lack reading comprehension. Dave clearly said that HE ASKED MANEGEMENT TO BE LET OUT OF HIS NON-COMPETE AND THEY AGREED. So there was no problem with the non-compete regarding him leaving the station, something you seem to not grasp. No hostility here, but people need to read the entire post and read carefully what was written.

[<falcone>]

WHAT UP EUFEMI!!!!!!

[<legal bean>]

Originally posted by NoWay:
[QUOTE]I think that the problem is that you seem to lack reading comprehension. Dave clearly said that HE ASKED MANEGEMENT TO BE LET OUT OF HIS NON-COMPETE AND THEY AGREED. So there was no problem with the non-compete regarding him leaving the station, something you seem to not grasp. Just so it's clear, Dave walked out of the station and now can not collect unemployment. He wasn't happy at the station for a variety of reasons apart from a sick family member. He didn't want to move away. He was stuck! You bet they let him walk out! KSTP saved a bundle not having to deal with an unemployment claim!

You seem to think all is hunky dory for David. No job (yet). No pay check. He wanted to look for another job in town and still get paid but the station said no way.

If Dave hadn't signed a non compete he could have looked for a job and still be employed until he found something he wanted. He couldn't. The station screwed him right up to the end. That sucks and should be an example to the rest of you to not sign a contract with a non compete clause in it. You end up getting the shaft.

I hope Dave gets a job but nothing is going to take away the sting of being out of work while he finds his next dream job, hopefully close to home.

[Lensmith]

I feel for David but his situation has brought to light the dark side of no compete clauses in contracts.

I have never had to sign a contract to work at a station. I know they are becoming more common today but I don't see the need for a station to sign photographers to contracts. Stations that do are places I would not want to work. Why do photographers need to be under contract? I am pro union and have no problem with a union contract but this is a different animal.

Photogs who do sign contracts with no competes need to understand they are signing a legal agreement. It's not something you can go up to your boss later on and expect to have them laugh it off and not enforce it without paying a price.

David has paid a heavy price. It is a price he felt was worthwhile yet he is in a tough spot. I wish him the very best and expect him to land on his feet somewhere. Still his experience should serve as a warning to others. Don't expect your television management to always be the same or their philosophy of news coverage to always fit neatly into your own idea of "good" television.

Television is an every changing business and that includes the people who sit in the corner office and decide who is and isn't a part of their "team".

Best of luck to all.

[<WWDD? The Answer Below>]

Let me give you a few of my impressions of Dave Wertheimer. I believe they're worth more than some of those posted in this thread. Certainly they are more reliable.

I was lucky enough to work at Channel 5 when storytelling was a priority. I was also lucky enough to work with most of the station's talented photojournalists. There were plenty of them! Dave Wertheimer happened to be one of those people.

Each time we jumped into the Explorer, Dave was ALWAYS prepared to do his work. He always had his gear ready to go and always had the right attitude. I watched the guy work his fair share of crappy shifts, just like the rest of us.
Dave and I spent plenty of time on the road working 5 a.m. to 11 p.m. shifts. I never saw him give less than 110 percent. We covered many great stories. We covered many not-so-great stories. Funny thing is, I don't ever remember Dave complaining about the work. Can't say the same about many of the people I've worked with...That includes myself.

Bottom line, Dave's just like the rest of you. He's a guy who does his best in a very tough business. Appreciate him for that. Try and not be so judgemental, especially if you haven't worked around the guy. Instead, use all that energy to go out and gather a great story. That's what the real professionals do!

Dave, thanks for three GREAT years of:

-Hard Work
-Storytelling
-Free Mic Adapters
-Sting & Moody Blues
-Yuengling, Yuengling, Y$u%en&gli*n@g... *burp*
-Watching you freak people out with your hugs
-3 am "gotta-write-this-great-story-for-me" phone calls
-Your Friendship...

Good luck in your next adventure!

Bill

[<Bill who>]

Originally posted by &lt;WWDD? The Answer Below&gt;:
Let me give you a few of my impressions of Dave Wertheimer. I believe they're worth more than some of those posted in this thread. Certainly they are more reliable.

I was lucky enough to work at Channel 5 when storytelling was a priority. I was also lucky enough to work with most of the station's talented photojournalists. There were plenty of them! Dave Wertheimer happened to be one of those people.

Each time we jumped into the Explorer, Dave was ALWAYS prepared to do his work. He always had his gear ready to go and always had the right attitude. I watched the guy work his fair share of crappy shifts, just like the rest of us.
Dave and I spent plenty of time on the road working 5 a.m. to 11 p.m. shifts. I never saw him give less than 110 percent. We covered many great stories. We covered many not-so-great stories. Funny thing is, I don't ever remember Dave complaining about the work. Can't say the same about many of the people I've worked with...That includes myself.

Bottom line, Dave's just like the rest of you. He's a guy who does his best in a very tough business. Appreciate him for that. Try and not be so judgemental, especially if you haven't worked around the guy. Instead, use all that energy to go out and gather a great story. That's what the real professionals do!

Dave, thanks for three GREAT years of:

-Hard Work
-Storytelling
-Free Mic Adapters
-Sting & Moody Blues
-Yuengling, Yuengling, Y$u%en&gli*n@g... *burp*
-Watching you freak people out with your hugs
-3 am "gotta-write-this-great-story-for-me" phone calls
-Your Friendship...

Good luck in your next adventure!

Bill So proud to support David but afraid to give his name. Anonymous support. What a worthless gift.

[<I know Bill>]

Bill! You owe me money!

[<be nice>]

It's bill. He's just shy ;)

[<Pot&Kettle>]

Originally posted by &lt;Bill who&gt;:
Anonymous support. What a worthless gift. Anonymous sniping.

Even more worthless.

[<on target>]

Originally posted by &lt;Pot&Kettle&gt;:
quote: Originally posted by &lt;Bill who&gt;:
Anonymous support. What a worthless gift. Anonymous sniping.

Even more worthless. Thanks Bill!

[<Pot&Kettle>]

Originally posted by &lt;on target&gt;:
quote: Originally posted by &lt;Pot&Kettle&gt;:
quote: Originally posted by &lt;Bill who&gt;:
Anonymous support. What a worthless gift. Anonymous sniping.

Even more worthless. Thanks Bill! I'm not Bill.

[<writing that ticket>]

Dave will show you all!

Thanks Bill!

[<David supporter>]

Originally posted by &lt;Pot&Kettle&gt;:
quote: Originally posted by &lt;on target&gt;:
quote: Originally posted by &lt;Pot&Kettle&gt;:
quote: Originally posted by &lt;Bill who&gt;:
Anonymous support. What a worthless gift. Anonymous sniping.

Even more worthless. Thanks Bill! I'm not Bill. I know Bill and he's no Bill!

[<Pot&Kettle>]

I'm the Michael Douglas character from Falling Down.

[<Has he scored yet?>]

Is Dave still on the beach?

Must be one heck of a long ticket he´s writing himself!

[ShootThis]

Originally posted by &lt;Has he scored yet?&gt;:
Is Dave still on the beach?

Must be one heck of a long ticket he´s writing himself! Dave has shot and scored. He is working for KARE11 here in minneapolis. Good move Dave! Not lateral, forward!!!

[<Angelo Spagnolo>]

Les,
Look what you started! Shame on you. You try to be a nice guy and this is what you get.
A "War in the Tundra" postcard. 28º Hennepin

-- Angelo (America's worst avid golfer)

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Never lock your keys in your suitcase.